Looking forward to see how her major sponsors react to this...........
Supporting her in this situation is basically rowing the same boat.......
Supporting her in this situation is basically rowing the same boat.......
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Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Wasn't expecting this. Not the part about her actually taking potential PED's, but the fact that they actually tested her and this was made public. Are finally getting somewhere? When will the Williams sisters, Nadal, et al be busted?
Probably political, having to do with the apparent need to take down all things Russian.
Sarcasm?
No, not sarcasm at all. Look around. Everything that projects Russian soft power in international sport is under assault. Apparently Sharapova is no exception.
BullsFan22 said:Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Wasn't expecting this. Not the part about her actually taking potential PED's, but the fact that they actually tested her and this was made public. Are finally getting somewhere? When will the Williams sisters, Nadal, et al be busted?
Probably political, having to do with the apparent need to take down all things Russian.
Sarcasm?
No, not sarcasm at all. Look around. Everything that projects Russian soft power in international sport is under assault. Apparently Sharapova is no exception.
Yeah. There is definitely a lot of truth in that. Seems very shady at how much the western media is trying to bring down Russia. From the Ukraine crisis, to Sochi, to social issues in Russia, to the 2015 Track and Field World's, to the Syria crisis, to the supposed widespread doping. You'd think that Putin is much worse than Hitler after what's being said and written in western (particularly US and German) media.
BullsFan22 said:Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Maxiton said:BullsFan22 said:Wasn't expecting this. Not the part about her actually taking potential PED's, but the fact that they actually tested her and this was made public. Are finally getting somewhere? When will the Williams sisters, Nadal, et al be busted?
Probably political, having to do with the apparent need to take down all things Russian.
Sarcasm?
No, not sarcasm at all. Look around. Everything that projects Russian soft power in international sport is under assault. Apparently Sharapova is no exception.
Yeah. There is definitely a lot of truth in that. Seems very shady at how much the western media is trying to bring down Russia. From the Ukraine crisis, to Sochi, to social issues in Russia, to the 2015 Track and Field World's, to the Syria crisis, to the supposed widespread doping. You'd think that Putin is much worse than Hitler after what's being said and written in western (particularly US and German) media.
Maxiton said:Zinoviev Letter said:Maxiton said:In any case, and politics aside, perhaps a more pertinent question is, is her story right? Has she been taking this drug for ten years, and was unaware that it recently went on the prohibited list? Could that be true?
There's nothing inherently incredible about that part of her story, at least in broad strokes. She could well have been taking it for an extended period, safe in the knowledge that it wasn't on the banned list and then screwed up and not realise that it had been banned. She was after all popped at the first major tournament after the ban came in.
The idea that she was taking the drug in the first place, both before and after it was on the banned list, for reasons other than performance enhancement is, on the other hand, inherently incredible.
wrinklyvet said:Quite simply, in the absence (so far) of any contradictory evidence, it could be.
it is of course only relevant to the question of intent. That in turn may be relevant to the question of any discretion in the sanction.
Maxiton said:arcus said:Maxiton said:arcus said:Maxiton said:Probably political, having to do with the apparent need to take down all things Russian.
Not really buying that... Image-wise, regardless of who she plays for, she's about as American as it comes....
She seems American to us (presuming you're American), but to Russians and Euros she is definitely Russian.
Full disclosure. I've lived in the US for >10 years, but I'm Irish-born and raised. IMO, she is more a cultural product of the US than Russia.......
She is a marketing product of the US, and marketed in America as American. In Russia, Europe, and for that matter China and probably Africa, she is marketed as Russian.
In any case, and politics aside, perhaps a more pertinent question is, is her story right? Has she been taking this drug for ten years, and was unaware that it recently went on the prohibited list? Could that be true?
Maxiton said:Probably political, having to do with the apparent need to take down all things Russian.
No, not sarcasm at all. Look around. Everything that projects Russian soft power in international sport is under assault. Apparently Sharapova is no exception.
Yeah. There is definitely a lot of truth in that. Seems very shady at how much the western media is trying to bring down Russia. From the Ukraine crisis, to Sochi, to social issues in Russia, to the 2015 Track and Field World's, to the Syria crisis, to the supposed widespread doping. You'd think that Putin is much worse than Hitler after what's being said and written in western (particularly US and German) media.
\London Hibs said:arcus said:A key issue (for me) is if she disclosed this as a prescribed medication on her many doping-control forms over the past 10 years (during which time she states she took the drug)... Do we trust the ITF to honestly disclose this information?
I'll say it again, as an MD, I can personally think of no legitimate reason, apart from doping, for her to be on that drug.
She lives in the US, home to some of the most excellent health care in the world. Is she really getting her primary medical care in Russia, Latvia or Georgia, the only countries where this drug is approved?
Good post.
Let's hope the Williams sisters are finally caught (and hundreds of others, but the Williams bints will do for me).
BullsFan22 said:arcus said:A key issue (for me) is if she disclosed this as a prescribed medication on her many doping-control forms over the past 10 years (during which time she states she took the drug)... Do we trust the ITF to honestly disclose this information?
I'll say it again, as an MD, I can personally think of no legitimate reason, apart from doping, for her to be on that drug.
She lives in the US, home to some of the most excellent health care in the world. Is she really getting her primary medical care in Russia, Latvia or Georgia, the only countries where this drug is approved?
Very good point. Also surprised to see that someone would actually disclose this information. Either she feels that this was completely legal (technically, it was, because the drug was legal prior to 2016) and should bear no consequence to previous years, or she is being as 'honest' or at least up front about a failed drug test (so soon after the failed test, what's more) and/or the WTA/ITF has been complicit and they simply want this to be over and done with and not have this episode drag tennis deeper into the ground than it already is with the betting scandal.
arcus said:This an anti-ischaemic agent being developed for patients with angina. It's not FDA approved. It is approved in Georgia (the country, not the state), Latvia and Russia. I would be frankly shocked if Sharapova is getting her health care outside of the US (where she is based). I cannot think of a valid medical reason why a healthy athlete would take, this apart from doping. Not buying the diabetes excuse. The drug increases exercise tolerance, which is why it is prohibited. It may also increase concentration.
She claims to have been using it for 10 years and didn't realize it was just placed on the banned list (need to fact-check that), but surely she would have declared it as a prescribed medicine on her doping control forms over time, and the ITF can clarify this.
Regardless, this is ennis' first big pop for years, though I suspect the "deny and obfuscate" machine will crank-up STAT.
Worth remembering that she is the world highest paid female athete
Edit: Meldonium was added to WADA's prohibited list in 2016.
Maxiton said:I wonder how many other players on the tennis circuit were taking this drug. Since the authorities have a list, ostensibly, of every drug taken by the players, they would be aware that she's been taking the drug for ten years. If they then suddenly ban the drug, what efforts did they make to get the word to their athlete? And if the drug's sole purpose is performance enhancement, why wait for ten years to ban it?
Analysis of 8,300 random, anonymous urine samples collected at doping control sessions revealed that 182 (2.2%) contained the energy-shifting drug mildronate, a substance first discovered and used in the 1980s as a cardioprotective agent.
"From an anti-doping perspective, the 2.2% rate in this study was concerning," said Dr. Larry Bowers, Chairperson of the PCC Scientific Board, "This figure represents more than twice the overall rate of laboratory findings for a single drug than any of the substances on the Prohibited List."
arcus said:Looking forward to see how her major sponsors react to this...........
Supporting her in this situation is basically rowing the same boat.......
StryderHells said:arcus said:Looking forward to see how her major sponsors react to this...........
Supporting her in this situation is basically rowing the same boat.......
Well Nike just dropped her
antonshipulin said:StryderHells said:arcus said:Looking forward to see how her major sponsors react to this...........
Supporting her in this situation is basically rowing the same boat.......
Well Nike just dropped her
**** them, did they not see those big blue bambi eyes that were truly truly sorry?
I hope she'll go with adidas after her ban is over
could nike be involved behind the scenes? some kind of contractual conflict with Maria?python said:...
once this mildronate entered the banned list in january 2016, it was a simple matter of developing a target list from a list of known names and methodically 'execute' them one-by-one. if wada really wants it, they can arrange the sudden ooc test in a way that ANY sports federation, even if they tried to cover it up, wont be able to. wada learned it lessons from clashes with some 'protectionist' federations like cycling