The 2016 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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Jul 16, 2011
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My first go at this and, as a "visitor" from another sport, armchair enthusiast etc I didn't have a very well defined strategy. I can see now that I should have picked an ITT specialist and a frequent stage winner like Kittel. My only strategy was to pick riders who I thought had a good chance of improving their return....many of which are neo-pros and total guess work (hence including a rider who has quit). So, I am right down at the bottom of the popularity picks chart. As long as my position on the final chart is above that, I will consider it a result.

Happy to be the class clown. Here are my picks

FORMOLO Davide
EWAN Caleb
BARDET Romain
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LANDA MEANA Mikel
AYAZBAYEV Maxat
RESTREPO VALENCIA Jhonatan
PACIONI Luca
FRANKINY Kilian
PEARSON Daniel
CATTANEO Mattia
SCHELLING Patrick
LATHAM Christopher
GESBERT Elie
PELLAUD Simon
LAWLESS Christopher
SAGAN Juraj
FENN Andrew
AREGGER Marcel
CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo
FLAKEMORE Campbell
BOHLI Tom
PETERS Alex
POLITT Nils
YATES Adam
YATES Simon
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus
MERLIER Tim
 
Aug 20, 2011
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Awesome work Skidmark! :D
I only got one unique pick this year in Artem Nych. He was also a unique pick for me last year both in this and the emerging riders game :eek: So what do I know that no one else knows...
Also interresting to see that the last three riders I picked (Schleck, Poljanski and Boudat) are picked by so few.
At least I expected Boudat to be in quite a lot of teams.
The only one I am missing of the 100+ picked riders is Gaviria. I didn't pick Ewan or Mareczko last year either, so I guess young upcoming sprinters isn't really my thing.
 
Mar 27, 2011
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Re:

Kjellus said:
No 57 on the popular rank, here is the team that will try to defend my lucky 4th last year.

COSTA Rui Alberto Faria
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
VANMARCKE Sep
KREUZIGER Roman
MARTIN Daniel
CANCELLARA Fabian
TALANSKY Andrew
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
GERRANS Simon
SKUJINS Toms
REICHENBACH Sébastien
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David
HAAS Nathan
PHINNEY Taylor
KITTEL Marcel
CHERNETSKIY Sergey
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
VANENDERT Jelle
HAIG Jack
ENGER Sondre Holst
WESTRA Lieuwe
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio
RUFFONI Nicola
STETINA Peter
CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo
VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco Jose
CAPECCHI Eros
VERVAEKE Louis
GOSS Matthew

I really like this team, Costa in an Olympic year could be great and hopefully he just targets one week stage races and GT stages. Contreras, Ruffoni, Pardilla, Westra and Enger should all improve their scores, and you have a good mix of riders who can win one week stage races.
 
Mar 14, 2011
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First of all: thank you Skidmark for all the work you put in this game.

It was a bit expected, but I have the 7th most popular team. I don't know if that's a good sign, but at least I didn't forget an obvious pick. Arredondo is the first popular rider I don't have in my team. I considered him, but I think he is as lazy as Betancur but less talented. I could regret it though.

I'm happy with Vincenzo Nibali in my team. I'm not totally convinced he will be a good pick, but at least I have a rider who can make a difference. Other more or less rare picks: Jurgen Van den Broeck (renewed motivation at Katusha), Alexey Lutsenko (he's such a big talent, I only fear it will be too early to make a difference in this game), Alessandro De Marchi (had a big injury last year, so I expect him to do a lot better), Lieuwe Westra (2015 was a season with a lot of crashes and injuries) and Yoann Offredo. And three unique riders: Robert Wagner, Antonio Piedra (comeback, he once won a stage in the Vuelta) and Romain Lemarchand.

Jasper Stuyven only picked 38 times surprises me.

Anyway here's my team.

NIBALI Vincenzo 1496
MARTIN Tony 624
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 622
MARTIN Daniel 526
DEMARE Arnaud 464
CANCELLARA Fabian 449
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 366
LUTSENKO Alexey 349
TALANSKY Andrew 330
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 297
GERRANS Simon 244
PHINNEY Taylor 174
KITTEL Marcel 164
MEZGEC Luka 161
STUYVEN Jasper 160
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 151
DE MARCHI Alessandro 150
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 143
LANGEVELD Sebastian 104
VANENDERT Jelle 102
WESTRA Lieuwe 85
OFFREDO Yoann 53
HERKLOTZ Silvio 52
MARTINEZ Yannick 25
ZAUGG Oliver 20
VEELERS Tom 15
GOSS Matthew 10
WAGNER Robert 10
VELITS Peter 5
ZORDAN Andrea 0
PIEDRA PEREZ Antonio 0
LEMARCHAND Romain 0
 
May 15, 2011
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I have 13 of the top 15 most popular picks which is a good thing, I guess. At first glance my most unique riders are DASSONVILLE Flavien (who I drafted in after skidmark notified me my team was overbudget :p ) and CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto :)
Interesting that still 34 people picked Theo Bos despite him announcing a few weeks ago that he won't do any road races next year.

Edit: 32 on the popularity list, not too bad
 
May 15, 2011
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My team, I am quite happy with it :)

CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 1778 2 picks
MARTIN Tony 624 74
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 622 84
MARTIN Daniel 526 102
ROSA Diego 507 11
DEMARE Arnaud 464 97
CANCELLARA Fabian 449 102
MEERSMAN Gianni 276 50
GERRANS Simon 244 116
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David 213 60
VICHOT Arthur 211 25
PHINNEY Taylor 174 117
KITTEL Marcel 164 132
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 151 102
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149 121
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 143 71
LANGEVELD Sebastian 104 42
CRADDOCK Lawson 102 13
VENTURINI Clément 92 4
ACEVEDO CALLE Janier Alexis 71 34
RUFFONI Nicola 64 14
OFFREDO Yoann 53 15
HERKLOTZ Silvio 52 51
NERZ Dominik 48 22
ZURLO Federico 45 6
HARDY Romain 44 7
CAPECCHI Eros 35 23
JEANNESSON Arnold 32 27
MARTINEZ Yannick 25 38
ZAUGG Oliver 20 20
VERMEULEN Alexey 8 6
VELITS Peter 5 66
DASSONVILLE Flavien 5 2
 
Dec 28, 2010
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Huge post coming up :eek:

First I want to say thanks skidmark for all the hard work! First impressions from the spreadsheet is that this is gonna be a great CQ game edition. So many different constellations of riders! I've had a look at the team of consecutive podium finisher Cykeltyven, and at first sight, I'm a bit underwhelmed. Robert Power could possibly be 111 points down the drain, and I have a hard time seeing Vanmarcke delivering a substantial return. But then again, history speaks for itself, average placing of 1.5 is hard to argue against. Will be interesting to follow.

My comments in bolded below.

skidmark said:
Okay, I've got a second to check out your team. I find it interesting that you spent so much time optimizing strategy and came up with such a similar team to me, as I know first hand how painstakingly I go over my team. I've bolded the riders we have in common, which is most of them, so I'll just comment on the ones we don't share. I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on your strategy, if you're interested.

Kreuziger - I picked him in the first two editions, and I think he could be a good pick, for the reasons you laid out in discussion with Jancouver. Didn't even think of him for the ORR, but that makes sense.

Jungels - I've also had him on my team and am a believer in his talent. His first year at EQS could go very well, and he could continue to progress in the weeklong stage races, so I see why you picked him. But that's also a deep lineup. Although I dismissed him because I thought that, but I think I was still thinking of him as a classics kinda guy, which hasn't been the bulk of his points necessarily.

The man's a beast. If you look at where his points came from last year, he didn't even have a good season. Win in a 2.1 stage race (EQS are riding Luxembourg this year, no way he's not starting), 6th in a WT stage race and a Nationals clean sweep is very repeatable, and I think he'll add a lot to that. Could also score well in the two big TTs. EQS are great at creating profitable race programs, and there are plenty of Kwiatkowski points which need to be recuperated.

Peraud - already mentioned, could be a good pick but I'm worried about his age.

Pozzato - I'd love to hear an elaboration. I guess he's cheap, and with a team with whom he'll be in favour, and he could race some more italian classics which are more his speed than the big ones? Is that what you're thinking?

I think he's still got it for the big ones too. Good Ronde last year, down the pecking order for MSR. Didn't really ride a lot of races. Will have plenty of sh!t small races to feast on this year, in addition to some possibilities for points in the big ones. Was great when he was healthy last time he rode for this team, and I guess he would like to prove a point. Still not ancient. You shouldn't judge him yet, there's only one who can do that ;)
But yeah, one of my more dodgy picks, I agree.

Farrar & Ciolek - both were riders I considered, for sure... and then looking at their results the last few years, I drew the conclusion they were just not good sprinters anymore. But I'm not sure - I had Ciolek on until I made room for Grosu at the end... did you know Farrar & Ciolek's cost add up to Grosu's exactly? There's gotta be some kinda wager we can make on that. But actually, I'm interested in hearing your logic on these guys, maybe especially Farrar I'm curious about because he's with the same team as last year, but now with Cav.

Ciolek has all the hallmarks of a great pick. Still only 29, and can do everything, cobbles, sprints, hilly races, distance. Will be undisputed leader with quite a solid backing, and will mostly be a huge fish in a small pond. He can perform in big races if they're invited, too. He seems to thrive everytime he switches teams, and has even admitted so in an interview, so that should give him motivation and confidence.

Farrar is another slightly dodgy pick, but with quite an upside. Yes, Cav has arrived, but he's gotten rid of Ciolek, Goss and Bos (practically). Cav has his own entourage, so Farrar won't be involved in that train, despite what the news reports say. Yeah, he might do some work for EBH, but should get some sprint chances himself, although I picked him mostly for his classics potential and Worlds potential. I think Sbaragli will move up to a WT schedule, so hopefully Farrar takes over some of his duties from last year. I was also impressed by the American's energy in last year's Worlds. Don't think Farrar is gone yet.

I'm starting to think I should have gone with Kudus instead, though.


Sargent/Navarro/Vanendert - I see what you're going for. I almost put Vanendert on my team too, until I remembered he was on my team for the same price two years ago, and made me some points for sure, but it was almost a chore to cheer for him. I tried to look around for similar priced riders that I'd be more excited to cheer for, and there were some.

Yeah, Vanendert is a bit risky. He seems like he can only peak for a short time each season, but if he's successful during that peak, he should be worth it. Goes a little bit against my principles for a good pick, though. Navarro is solid, Sergent has a lot of things in his favour this year (watch out for a thin Qatar field and a Kiwi who wants to start his season strong).

Haig - totally a promising talent... I was worried he'd be buried as a neo at Greenedge, but they showed last year with Ewan that they know how to bring in someone they want to be a winner with soft races, so maybe it'll turn out well. Is that your thinking?

More or less. If he can't swim at the deep end, they'll take him to the shallow one.

and then the rest are the same except for Velits. Yeah, I was kinda bored with Velits and then just got the idea that he wouldn't be a great pick. A rare moment of non-objectivity. I probably should have picked him.
He'll pick up his usual 350 points :D

As 30 out of 33 your team at some point was in my team draft, I agree with most your picks. We discussed Grosu, and the other one I didn't really consider is Craddock, although I can get what your reasoning would be.
 
Dec 29, 2011
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Thanks for putting everything together skidmark!

This year, I went for the big gamble again with two >1000 points rider.

NIBALI Vincenzo 1496
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 1133
MARTIN Tony 624
MARTIN Daniel 526
DEMARE Arnaud 464
CANCELLARA Fabian 449
VAN ASBROECK Tom 357
GERRANS Simon 244
PHINNEY Taylor 174
SENECHAL Florian 165
KITTEL Marcel 164
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 151
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 143
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 131
DENIFL Stefan 121
ZABEL Rick 117
DE PLUS Laurens 109
VANBILSEN Kenneth 103
VANENDERT Jelle 102
HAIG Jack 96
BOHLI Tom 84
BAUHAUS Phil 56
HERKLOTZ Silvio 52
CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo 50
NERZ Dominik 48
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 43
LECUISINIER Pierre-Henri 37
THURAU Björn 34
JEANNESSON Arnold 32
LIETAER Eliot 30
GOSS Matthew 10
RESTREPO VALENCIA Jhonatan 6

Since Kwiat (22 picks) and Nibali (18) are quite rare picks, my season will completely depend on their performance. It's a big gamble, but the Olympics should suit them fine so there's that. I couldn't fit some of the more popular picks like Lopez, Talansky, and Formolo into the team and missed out on guys I like such as Mühlberger, Pöstlberger, Konrad and Buchmann (had 8 Boras in one version). As usual for me I have no unique rider with Lietaer being picked by 2 others. Still, 66 in popularity means I'm in the top half, but rare enough to win or loose significantly. I really have absolutely no expectations for this team as I mainly picked them to have something to root for in every race. Top100 would be nice, tho.
 
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So there is my team,I'm wondering who are the other 2 guys who pick Sagan
SAGAN Peter
BARDET Romain
LAMPAERT Yves
PREIDLER Georg
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
DEMARE Arnaud
STUYVEN Jasper
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
BOSWELL Ian
CHRISTIAN Mark
VERMOTE Julien
KITTEL Marcel
MEZGEC Luka
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael
JAUREGUI Quentin
POLJANSKI Pawel
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
BAUHAUS Phil
PETIT Adrien
JEANNESSON Arnold
GOSS Matthew
VELITS Peter
4 unique picks in my team:Lampaert,Priedler,Vermote and Christian
Top 100 will be my target :D
 
May 9, 2010
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First of all, thanks to skidmark for continuing his work with the game. I for one know it's quite a task, so I'm happy to see someone doing it and - hopefully - having fun with it.

I will make a few comments about my team later today (I hope). Also, I see one brave soul with Kristoff in his team :D
 
Oct 2, 2011
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My riders are not very popular, which is not surprising I guess as I did it in a big rush. I only just realised that I may have burnt my matches on Power; I never knew he was injured.

I have a good few guys that were picked fewer than 5 times.

ARNDT Nikias
OSS Daniel
POLANC Jan
ELISSONDE Kenny
BOBRIDGE Jack
TURGOT Sébastien
QUAADE Rasmus Christian
VANBILSEN Kenneth
DEIGNAN Philip
VAN POPPEL Boy

I can see why people wouldn't fancy Arndt, Elissonde, Quaade and Turgot. If I had my time back, I would switch them for sure. But I am surprised how few people went for Bobridge or Oss.
 
Jan 5, 2013
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Totally forgot about this, didn't even make a longlist a few months in advance as usual :mad:

Well, I usually fail in the main game, so maybe it's for the best!

Seems like a year in which it'll be able to make huge profits, unlike some other years.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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My team:

MARTIN Tony 624
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 622
KELDERMAN Wilco 620
YATES Adam 599
MARTIN Daniel 526
DEMARE Arnaud 464
BARGUIL Warren 443
FORMOLO Davide 353
LUTSENKO Alexey 349
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 297
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 281
GERRANS Simon 244
PHINNEY Taylor 174
KITTEL Marcel 164
MEZGEC Luka 161
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 151
DE MARCHI Alessandro 150
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 143
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 131
DE PLUS Laurens 109
LANGEVELD Sebastian 104
HAIG Jack 96
KÄMNA Lennard 89
DEGAND Thomas 76
MARTIN Guillaume 61
HERKLOTZ Silvio 52
CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo 50
NERZ Dominik 48
MULLEN Ryan 44
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 43
ROSON GARCIA Jaime 34
VERVAEKE Louis 30

The rarest pick is Thomas Degand. I hope he can return to his 2014 level. I am surprised that Kelderman is not picked more considering his point drop last year. From the most popular picks I omitted Cancellara because there is nowadays more competition in the cobbled classics. When you compare my team with the team I posted earlier I left Nibali out because I feared he might not improve enough to justify his selection, instead I went for Kelderman, A. Yates, De Marchi and Mezgec.
 
Dec 28, 2010
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Fun fact: I submitted one revision to the team I had already submitted, where I replaced Arredondo, Ten Dam & Nerz with Ciolek, Farrar & Bauhaus.

If I hadn't done this, I would have had an incredible popularity score of 1961 instead of my current 1884 (which is still enough for 1st place), and I would've had all the 18 most picked riders :eek:
 
Oct 23, 2011
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Went with Nibali and Landa here. I felt like being bit risky with some expensive picks this year, though I'm not sure this year is the best year for such an approach. :p

I still got the top 12 of most popular picks though, so I don't think I've missed any super obvious picks this year. Some guys like Ten Dam or Mezgec could be good fairly common picks that I miss though.

I'm also surprised quite few people picked Pozzato. I have a few unique picks, but they're all obscure really cheap picks whom I chose to fill up the space basically; they won't make much of an impact normally.

NIBALI Vincenzo
LANDA MEANA Mikel
MARTIN Tony
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
MARTIN Daniel
DEMARE Arnaud
CANCELLARA Fabian
FORMOLO Davide
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
GERRANS Simon
PHINNEY Taylor
KITTEL Marcel
POZZATO Filippo
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
ENGER Sondre Holst
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
HERKLOTZ Silvio
JEANNESSON Arnold
CICCONE Giulio
MARTINEZ Yannick
BIERMANS Jenthe
LUDVIGSSON Fredrik
BERLATO Giacomo
PACIONI Luca
RESTREPO VALENCIA Jhonatan
VELITS Peter
VERGAERDE Otto
SANCHEZ VERGARA Brayan Stiven
COSTA Adrien
BAYLIS Tom
 
May 4, 2011
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Maaaaaaaarten said:
I still got the top 12 of most popular picks though, so I don't think I've missed any super obvious picks this year. Some guys like Ten Dam or Mezgec could be good fairly common picks that I miss though.
Both of them were signed as domestiques. Mezgec may have some leadership opportunities, though.
 
Mar 12, 2009
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togo95 said:
Do you really believe in Anton ingsve? :D
I like the Bauhaus pick, think he can do well this year.

Well, when I look for riders for my team one thing I look for are struggling riders that have broken with their previous pattern and gone to a new team for example. The hope is that they'll get a new injection and or get opportunities they didn't get previously.

In the case of Anton he will not have that much competition in DD so he will probably get to ride all he wants without helping others and I'm banking on the fact that moving away from the spanish teams he's been in all his career can have a positive effect on him.
 
Feb 20, 2012
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MARTIN Tony 624 74
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 622 84
MARTIN Daniel 526 102
HESJEDAL Ryder 484 3 (!!)
DEMARE Arnaud 464 97
CANCELLARA Fabian 449 102
FRANK Mathias 428 10 (!)
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 366 12 (!)
TALANSKY Andrew 330 70
ROCHE Nicolas 312 1 (!!!)
PERAUD Jean-Christophe 281 31
MEERSMAN Gianni 276 50
GERRANS Simon 244 116
WIPPERT Wouter 227 18
KISERLOVSKI Robert 212 3 (!!)
PHINNEY Taylor 174 117
KITTEL Marcel 164 132
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 151 102
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149 121
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 143 71
DENIFL Stefan 121 6
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 103 27
VANENDERT Jelle 102 40
HAIG Jack 96 40
VON HOFF Steele 90 12
ANDERSEN Asbjørn Kragh 83 17
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio 75 15
TEN DAM Laurens 65 51
NERZ Dominik 48 22
JEANNESSON Arnold 32 27
DI GREGORIO Rémy 21 17
ZAUGG Oliver 20 20
VELITS Peter 5 66

Looks like I did not miss any must-have pick so I am quite happy with my team (Lopez is the first one in the popularity list I do not have and I am fine with having Roche instead). Quite a few of my more expensive riders are rare so it is clear who I will be cheering for.

Some mentioned Mathias Frank as not such an attractive rider to have - I was deciding specifically between him and Barguil and I still believe Frank can do ok, although it would be nice to have Barguil too.
 
Feb 20, 2012
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Looking at the popularity list, results of the likes of Kittel and Gerrans will have minimal impact on the game, which is good, because at least we do not have to cheer for their usually uninspiring victories.

As probably every year, some recently retired riders made it to some of the teams - Daan Olivier, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Kristoff Vandewalle... Jose Serpa too although he will continue racing in Colombia... and even Ballan, Kolobnev and Danielson - that's some risk taking :D

Anyway, thanks to skidmark for organizing the game and good luck to all the teams!
 
Dec 23, 2015
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I expect to see someone have a punt at Campbell Flakemore for next year ;)

Happy with my 5 and sub picks:
Mareczko
Pibernick
Vallee
Poljanski
Jauregui
De Bie
Bonnamour
 
Mar 20, 2009
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5th among most popular picks, however my only unique pick is Tom Boonen. Did I miss completely something? Well I know he was injurred last autum but he should recovered now... or not? As I read your posts, you havent even considered him:)
 
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I put a lot of time and effort into this, but it might end up being not enough. I was considering Pozzato and Gaviria, but I opted to not pick them. I might end up regretting that... We shall see.
 
Dec 31, 2015
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BOS Theo 3
VELITS Peter 5
VEELERS Tom 15
KADRI Blel 30
JEANNESSON Arnold 32
JONES Carter 34
VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco Jose 41
NERZ Dominik 48
STETINA Peter 50
PETIT Adrien 51
VANENDERT Jelle 102
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 103
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 149
MEZGEC Luka 161
POZZATO Filippo 162
KITTEL Marcel 164
PHINNEY Taylor 174
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 194
HAAS Nathan 202
GERRANS Simon 244
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor 255
MEERSMAN Gianni 276
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 297
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 366
STANNARD Ian 383
SWIFT Ben 389
FRANK Mathias 428
CANCELLARA Fabian 449
LATOUR Pierre 453
DEMARE Arnaud 464
MARTIN Daniel 526
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 622
MARTIN Tony 624
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