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The best climbers in the world?

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Been a glut of riders recently claiming to be amongst the best in the world.

Horner claimed he is second only to contador, Rujano claimed he is 3rd best in the world after finishing 4th in the mountain timetrial. Hesjedal has claimed he is 3rd best in the world.

Seems like they are all fighting to be seen as the best.

So who is.

1st Contador
2nd ????
3rd ????
4th ????
 
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1. Contador
2. Baby Schleck
3. Basso
4. Rodriguez
5. Anton
6. Rujano
7. Schleck F
8. Gesink
9. Samu
10. Menchov
11. Nibbles

Then the Evans, Mosquera, Hejadel, Leipheimer, Horner, Kloden group come in.
 
Im sure Hejsdal was joking. Taking the **** out of Rujano and Horner.

1 Albert
2 Andrew
3 The Cobra
4 Gonzalez
5 Ivan Grozny
6 162cm
7 The undefeated
8 BMC
9 Zapatero
10 Fuji
11 Purito
12 The Condor
13 The sicilian
14 Hydroxynel Starch
15 Rene
16 John Gadret
17 Garzelli
18 The Pope
19 39yo
20 Nieve
21 Vino
22 VDB
24 Uran
25 Kreuziger
26 Sergio Henao
27 David Arroyo
28 Duarte
29 Ryder
30 Daniel Martin
 
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Who is the best? At what time of year? On what products? Against what opposition?

I'll list them in my order without really touching on the Clinic implications.

1. Contador. Day in, day out, he's the best. You cannot be as dominant as he is without a ton of natural talent. Say what you want in the Clinic, but he's consistent all the time and cycling is getting cleaner and slower in the last year or so. If everyone raced clean I have no reason to suspect he wouldn't win all the time like he does now.
2. Andy Schleck. Week in, week out, he's crap. LA type rider. Do I naturally think he's marvelous? Nope, I think the Clinic answers most of his performances. Last years Tour he was on par with Contador, which for him was a HUGE improvement. A month or two nefore at the ToC he was crap. He's the best of the rest when trying, which is usually only at LBL or the Tour. Plus, he's better by quite a bit when he goes hard than everyone bar AC.
3. Valverde or Samu. Good all the time. I think the only guy with a hope in hell of beating Contador overall is naturally going to be an all rounder. My vote goes to Valverde.
4. Anton or Rujano. Majestic, cool and damn awesome when on song. In the hills, they're amazing.
5. A diesel. Which means I have to tier them from here on out and pair them with like riders.. But consideration must be given to where people race (parcours) and who the opposition is. Meaning Evans comes first here. Good everywhere against everyone. He'll make the Tour podium this year.

First bracket: Nibali and Basso. Both have won a GT in the last 12 months, Vincenzo has matured a ton since last years Giro. He's second to Contador at the Giro right now and has some solid climbing efforts to his name. Ivan outlasted everyone at last years Giro. Enough said.
Second Bracket: Menchov. He came third at last years Giro and is strong over 3 weeks. He'd dangerous. Scarponi. Can't put him ahead of Basso, but he's damn consistent. Should be higher actually. Forget his placement. I rank him up there with Evans.
Bracket 3: Gesink and Jurgen Van den Broucke. Obvious reasons, they were fighting for a top 5 in last years Tour. Franck Schleck. He's about where these two are, that is when he doesn't fall down.
Bracket 4: Kloden, maybe Horner. Obvious reasons, both do well enough all round all year round. Have shown climbing prowess at Giro's and Tours in recent years. Only the Shack race the ToC hard. If Horner turns up at the Tour and blitzes everyone, his claims will stand. He won't. It would SCREAM DOPER! Levi couldn't beat Mick Rogers at last year ToC. Enough said. There team is in enough trouble.
Bracket 5: The rest, Kreuziger, Hesjedal, Vande Velde, Vino, I guess even throw in Nieve and Gadret on that list. Bottle can make this list and Rodriguez. They do well enough, but lose big time sooner or later, often in chunks on multiple days. Top 10 is a possibilty, even a stage win, but they ain't the poster boys for dancing on the pedals.

The list and requirements on how to rank climbers is huge. It's best to look at the parcours. Nibali ain't the best up steep climbs, but he can pace himself and come back. Meaning Rujano or Anton might get in a break, but they pay for their effort. Nibali gauges his efforts because his physiology isn't as suited to blasting up mountains and overall makes more time, advancing him on GC. Place the parcours in context with the race. Example, the Ardennes, Gilbert should make this list, but we all know how good he is in a GT. Short, steep climb at the end of a long stage, he's damn near unbeatable. Should this not rate? In the proper context, yes, which is classics, in a GT, not really. He's arguably not even Climbing jersey material, but the man has his moments in the hills, not the mountains.

NOTE: The top list, the one's I didn't Tier, I consider to be natural climbers. They make climbing look easy. The rest either have a sharp punch, Rodriguez, are pure Diesels, or look like pure climbers, but never seem to gap the diesels like the first group can. A guy in the second Tier can beat one of the top group who isn't AC, if and only if they are consistent all round. Lose timem but only a bit in the hills, make it back in their chrono. Andy Schleck can be beaten this way.

Oh and Dim. Horner is not the second best climber in the world. Anton or Samu is after Andy Schleck. If Ricco were riding, I'd give it to him. Consistency will get you a GT, but not necessarily onto my list of worlds best climbers. I like the people who slug it out, but climbing is meant to look good. Gotta do that to make the list.
 
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PedalCastro said:
I think Nibali is better than Gesink, Sammy Sanchez and sometimes Menchov tbh..

Context dude. Context. Overall in a GT that isn't the Giro? We don't know about Samu and Menchov, because all three have different goals. Nibali is better than Gesink by some margin.
 
Nibali vs Gesink in head-to-head competition on mountains and Gesink is far far ahead. Almost every MTF they have done against eachother Gesink comes out on top.

However, since 2010 they barely raced eachother anymore because Nibali riides Giro/Vuelta and Gesink Tour.
However this year Gesink does the Vuelta as well, so he can show his superior climbing ability. :)
Also, Gesinks best TDF result (6th) is ahead of Nibali's (7th) :)
 
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1. Contador
2. Schleck
3.
4. Samuel Sanchez
5. Anton
6. Gesink
7. Menchov
8. Basso
9. Nibali
10. Rodriguez
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Also, Gesinks best TDF result (6th) is ahead of Nibali's (7th) :)

Its a dumb argument but ill bite nonetheless.

Nibali was only 7th instead of 6th because of the very unfair ttt where Kloeden got his entire gap on Nibali from.

Hence ability wise he was 6th, just like Gesink.

Only Squalo has since backed it up big time.
 
Nibali was still 7th and also behind such excellent GT riders as a Lance Armstrong passed his peak and Bradley Wiggins, in a Tour where they mostly softpedaled. :)

I'm absolutely convinced Gesink is a better climber than Nibali, it showed at almost every time they met.
Ofcourse Nibali has a better palmares, he is also 2 years older and 2 years longer professional. If we take Nibali's timeline. Gesink still has till the Vuelta 2012 to win his first GT to be on par with Nibali at that age. And Gesink showed at younger age that he can podium a GT (vuelta 09 without a whole in his knee that blew the final mountain) and finish top 6 in the Tour (also 1 year younger then when Nibali did that.

Gesink is a natural climber, much more like Nibali who has to work for it. Gesink wins mountain stages by being the best uphill. Nibali has won a mountainstage by being the best downhill. Solid difference there
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Nibali was still 7th and also behind such excellent GT riders as a Lance Armstrong passed his peak and Bradley Wiggins, in a Tour where they mostly softpedaled. :)

I'm absolutely convinced Gesink is a better climber than Nibali, it showed at almost every time they met.
Ofcourse Nibali has a better palmares, he is also 2 years older and 2 years longer professional. If we take Nibali's timeline. Gesink still has till the Vuelta 2012 to win his first GT to be on par with Nibali at that age. And Gesink showed at younger age that he can podium a GT (vuelta 09 without a whole in his knee that blew the final mountain) and finish top 6 in the Tour (also 1 year younger then when Nibali did that

isnt gesink a better tt rider now
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Nibali was still 7th and also behind such excellent GT riders as a Lance Armstrong passed his peak and Bradley Wiggins, in a Tour where they mostly softpedaled. :)

I'm absolutely convinced Gesink is a better climber than Nibali, it showed at almost every time they met.
Ofcourse Nibali has a better palmares, he is also 2 years older and 2 years longer professional. If we take Nibali's timeline. Gesink still has till the Vuelta 2012 to win his first GT to be on par with Nibali at that age. And Gesink showed at younger age that he can podium a GT (vuelta 09 without a whole in his knee that blew the final mountain) and finish top 6 in the Tour (also 1 year younger then when Nibali did that.

Gesink is a natural climber, much more like Nibali who has to work for it. Gesink wins mountain stages by being the best uphill. Nibali has won a mountainstage by being the best downhill. Solid difference there

Well if you gave Gesink a 55 second deficit at the start he wouldnt have finished 6th either.

Another way to look at it is that Nibali lost 7 and a half minutes to a Contador at his absolute peak. Gesink lost almost 10 to a very very off form Contador;)

On the other hand, you are "absolutely convinced" so i guess that settles it.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
He is also a better ITT rider. yes.

But as long as he focusses on the Tour that will do him no good. Hopefully he'll see the light next year. It took Nibali till he was 26 years old as well

hasn't gesink also been shot of the back everytime the road goes uphill this seaon?
 
The Hitch said:
Well if you gave Gesink a 55 second deficit at the start he wouldnt have finished 6th either.

Another way to look at it is that Nibali lost 7 and a half minutes to a Contador at his absolute peak. Gesink lost almost 10 to a very very off form Contador;)

On the other hand, you are "absolutely convinced" so i guess that settles it.
Yeah right, very off form Contador. (do you honoustly believe that, hahaha)
Forgetting the fact that Andy was much stronger and rode away with Contador on a MUCH harder course than 09. Where in 09, they also soft pedalled half the tour.
Plus Gesink already losing 2'30 in the first week because he rode with a broken forearm on the cobble stage.

Oh yeah. Forgot about that have we?

@Parrulo: Gesink hasn't ridden any mountain stages yet this season. Only mountain he has seen was 1 in Oman (where he won). For the rest I've only seen him on hills and I don't see how that qualifies as a mountain nowadays?
 
Sydney21 said:
1. Contador
2. Baby Schleck
3. Basso
4. Rodriguez
5. Anton
6. Rujano
7. Schleck F
8. Gesink
9. Samu
10. Menchov
11. Nibbles

Then the Evans, Mosquera, Hejadel, Leipheimer, Horner, Kloden group come in.

looking at last year's Giro, you'd have to put Evans above the likes of menchov, nibbles, etc and not too far behind Basso.
and going by Rodriguez performance at this year's Giro, I'd put him below Nibbles and out of the top 10...
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Yeah right, very off form Contador. (do you honoustly believe that, hahaha)
Forgetting the fact that Andy was much stronger and rode away with Contador on a MUCH harder course than 09. Plus Gesink already losing 2'30 in the first week because he rode with a broken forearm on the cobble stages

Oh yeah. Forgot about that have we?

did his forearm magically heal after the cobble stage? :p

btw i would put the list as:

1-contador
2 andy
3- basso
4- samu
5- anton
6- rujano
7-nibali
8- gesink
9- scarponi

i know gesink is younger and all that but so far he hasn't show to be better then nibali.

wheren't there some mountains in pais basco?
 
It was a hairline fracture, which is, by all means, still a fracture :rolleyes:
It heals itself. But you suffer much more from it 2 days after it originated, on a cobble stage, than 2 weeks later on a mountain stage. Wouldn't you say???
Do I have to explain every letter. Cmon, do a bit of thinking yourself.

And again, 6km climbs are no mountains in cycling. Ofcourse, officially anything above 500m height is a mountain. But you know darn well what I mean with mountains. Cmon, again, do a bit of thinking yourself.
Besides, in Pais Vasco Gesink lost 6 seconds on an entire week of hills... so how is that "being shot of the back everywhere?"
 
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Gesink has always shown more in the mountains then Nibbles.
Nibbles is maturing well yes, but we should wait and see Gesink does in a GT this year before comparing nibbles current progress compared to prior years gesink.

Nibbles through his career has been a more "hang on" do a good TT type of rider. Whereas Gesink has generally been a mountain guy losing time in TT. This year aside. Gesink literallly made his name as a climber...

Easy to take the side of a rider who is actually racing the moment.

1 Contador
2 Andy Schleck
3-15 A lot of riders close together, depends on form.
this more or less is the situation. Also depends on type of climb.

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This year gesink started well, but seemed to drop a bit of form at basque and ardennes, keep in mind tho he didn't touch his bike between TA (where he had massive motivational issues>father) and basque. I really hope he gets right mentally for the tour, and gets the correct training program going on (currently training > Dauphne > Training) for himself. If he does, I have high expectations.