The Fans Disgust Me More than Hamilton

[Alpe d'Huez]

I believe it was Oscar Camenzind who after testing positive for EPO in the 2004 Olympics retired, and confessed admitting a stupid mistake. Taken to court he accepted a jail sentence instead of naming his suppliers, telling the judge he feared for his life.

Great vid of Camenzind's 1998 World's win.

 

[Power13]

Nor should you. Nor would I. But how would you feel if your child was the only one caught doing something everyone else was doing, and your child was being lambasted in the press, on the internet, everywhere? Would you just say 'well, that's your mess, kiddo, I guess you have to face up to the storm', or would you say 'hey wait a minute people, don't just get mad at my kid, there's a whole system of corruption out there, you know'?

I think that's the crux of this discussion, the divide between people who rigidly see personal culpability as the be-all end-all in the blame game, and people who see the bigger picture as more important to address.

What makes you think those two ideas are mutually exclusive?

they aren't. Simply becasue I am critical of Tyler's actions (and I am) does not mean that I believe the problems begins and ends with him.

The UCI are an international collection of a$$hats and they are, IMO, primarily to blame for the current state of the sport.

But becasue I believe that does not mean Tyler or anyone else deserves or gets a pass.

 

[Power13]

Maybe instead of teaching your kids fairy tales about how black and white the world is, you would do better explaining that when they grow up they will often have to make tough decisions and do things they might not want to do, especially when they have to provide for a family. Part of being a man is struggling through a very imperfect world. Pretending that life is simple is more likely to turn you into a sanctimonious twit instead of a thinking adult who is prepared to deal life's complications.

What fairy tales? teaching them to not follow the crowd and stand on their own moral grounds and make their own decisions are "fairy tales"?

Uh, OK.

 

[rhubroma]

This is tough. I know Tyler - not well and not making any claims to anything other than a casual acquaintance - but I always really liked him. On a personal level, he's a really good guy. Whatever wrongs he's done, he also has done a lot of good in his life. This is a guy who has always given back. I find it really hard to read some of the cynical sh!t people say on these and other boards. No one likes what dope has done to a sport we all care about, and those who cheat and get caught deserve every punishment that comes their way. That does not mean that we cannot be compassionate to those who get chewed up in the gears while the machine grinds on.

Well it has nothing to do with condemning him as a man, but as an athlete. Listen, I'm no moralist, but I have known lots of guys I liked personally who were, at the same time though, flagrant liars, who lived on their falacies and who behaved "unethically."

PS: I still like them as human beings.

 

[BigBoat]

I believe it was Oscar Camenzind who after testing positive for EPO in the 2004 Olympics retired, and confessed admitting a stupid mistake. Taken to court he accepted a jail sentence instead of naming his suppliers, telling the judge he feared for his life.

Great vid of Camenzind's 1998 World's win.

Actually I believe it was an OCC control, and when the testers came Comenzind had recently injected r-EPO ( a few hours before) and told them it would be positive for epo. But he submitted the sample anyway as is standard procedure.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

At least Oscar had the integrity to admit the truth. Here's the wiki on him. Pretty much says what we know.

 

[whiteboytrash]

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwi...in_the_Boston_Marathon_Yesterday..._P2297483/

 

[ElChingon]

Well at least he's keeping a chin up, doing something even running to help ease the early retirement.

 

[PuncturedTyre]

Hamilton is just another irrelevant doping statistic in professional cycling.

The sport is brutal enough, no one cares where these particular, statistics end up. It suits all, if they are gone and forgotten.
Something to talk & laugh at whilst your pedalling the neutralised zones,
or the first few hours of a classic/stage.

eg, something along these lines "hey you remember that c#nt "x" , saw him last week, he's doing some dead end job, sold his porsche, he's broke" etc....... dumb f@ck. you can make your own examples, but you get the point.

If you think this is a drastic example, then my forum friends, you are naive.

last weeks news, over. next.

In professional cycling, whether you dope or not, is not the issue,
as a rider, it is your individual choice.
You do, or You do not.

To be beaten by a cyclist and having knowledge that you are clean, and he is doped, is something "old school" and remains unspoken.

The crime is not in the use, it is in being caught.
Omerta is everything - shut up,take punishment, finish career.

Talk and you'll be joining the dead end job line. Fast.


Tyler perhaps for personal reasons might be helped by clearing his chest,
though he has nothing to gain by opening his mouth - what little dignity or reputation he has managed to retain, would be slaughtered by the cycling media, the UCI, and any remarks which offered allegations, would be summararily discredited by anyone implicated.

He has no credibility left to point fingers, as much as he might.

for a "DLS" like Pevenage to make comments as he did, or McQuaid's remarks, highlights the area of professional cycling, that needs cleaning up, more than the riders.
To me, that is where the problem perpetuates.

Any confession Tyler may consider (if at all) would be best served for his own reasons, in his own mind, and within his own privacy.

Thats the reality.

 

[BroDeal]

Tyler perhaps for personal reasons might be helped by clearing his chest,
though he has nothing to gain by opening his mouth - what little dignity or reputation he has managed to retain, would be slaughtered by the cycling media, the UCI, and any remarks which offered allegations, would be summararily discredited by anyone implicated.

Although this is true, Hamilton telling the truth would help the sport in the long run. I tend to think that there is a critical mass that will render omerta ineffective.