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Salvarani

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Armchair Cyclist said:
And do you believe that this perspective of his is :
a) greedy ?
b) irresponsible given the commitment he had made?
c) bad for the sport if it undermines team security? (a concept that you introduced to the discussion)
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Dont care about these things. Never wanted to discuss it with you. For the 5th time or so.

Know that things change. Fallouts happen. People will seek alternatives to move on.

Final answer from me to you about it. Find someone else to talk to you about it with.
 
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Corratec Vini Fantini's general manager announces the signing of Dusan Rajovic and the extensions of Conti, Sbaragli, Quartucci, Baldacini and Roberto Carlos Gonzalez (Tsarenko, Stewart and Balmer had already a contract for 2025 as well)

PS: Read on Twitter / X that strava activity log confirms Shaw and Cepeda on EF training camp, thus it only remains to be confirmed if de Bod stays, they will add another rider or stay at 29.
 
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I am surprised to see you stating that you do not care whether a rider's conduct is detrimental to the sport, but if that is your considered position, so be it.
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Putting words in my mouth again... hilarious.

Difference between not caring to discuss it with you and saying the above. Context is important.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
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EXTENSIONS FOR EVERYONE!

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Well, not everyone. Just these five guys.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
If you don't want to have a public discussion about it, that's fine (although in that case I wonder why you kept coming back and saying more)

But do not make false accusations against me, or anyone else here.

If you believe that you can substantiate your accusations against me, I look forward to hearing from you in a PM.
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Alternatively, you might think that posting a laughing emoji is a meaningful contribution to a discussion and of justifying your opinion or substantiating an accusation. I don't see it myself.
 
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Salvarani said:
Putting words in my mouth again... hilarious.

Difference between not caring to discuss it with you and saying the above. Context is important.

Thanks for proving my point.
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To be honest, by now I'm also completely lost at what point it actually is you're trying to make:
Salvarani said:
I was only talking about Van Gils and from his perspective, why he may want more money and why he may be seeking alternatives to get out of his current contract... where cases like this happens all the time when a person fallouts with their management/employer.
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Well, everybody wants more money. And last spring they actually offered him a new contract with higher pay. He signed it. He got more money. Now he wants to break it. If this happens it has consequences for the sport as a whole so of course people will take this into a broader context. That's not putting words in your mouth.

Like I said before: when signing a contract, both parties take a risk. The rider can either under- or overperform. In the first case, he's lucky and it's tough luck for the team. If he overperforms, it's the other way around. Seems totally fair to me. A contract should mean something.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
Alternatively, you might think that posting a laughing emoji is a meaningful contribution to a discussion and of justifying your opinion or substantiating an accusation. I don't see it myself.
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Maybe someone simply finds a post amusing for reasons other than what you may think their motive is. 🙄
 
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Gratemans said:
To be honest, by now I'm also completely lost at what point it actually is you're trying to make:

Well, everybody wants more money. And last spring they actually offered him a new contract with higher pay. He signed it. He got more money. Now he wants to break it. If this happens it has consequences for the sport as a whole so of course people will take this into a broader context. That's not putting words in your mouth.

Like I said before: when signing a contract, both parties take a risk. The rider can either under- or overperform. In the first case, he's lucky and it's tough luck for the team. If he overperforms, it's the other way around. Seems totally fair to me. A contract should mean something.
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That is just one getting ahead of themselves. Like everyone will be able to do it... no.

Van Gils has performed to level where he has more options and suitors. It just smart to try renegotiate his current terms. Especially if they are really low and not matching his current level. What he could offer on the road. Not being happy anymore with current situation in the team and his terms.

Again, things change! He is in a much better place to negotiate. He has more leverage. Why not capitalize? Why not try?

That this is horrible for the sport and teams? What? They been kicking riders and people to the side for years. It is laughable to get on that side or think the whole sport will be ruined.

This is just standard business and asking to be paid what he is worth now. At least trying for it. Whats the harm in that? We should feel sorry for the team? Nah.

And if he has fallen out with the team, then they will have to manage the situation or come to some agreement to part ways if they cant continue with each other. It happens all the time. Not just in sport, but everywhere.

These things just happen in business... and in life, contract or not. Especially with people involved. It is feelings and emotions.

Dont understand what is so hard to grasp.

Thinking this ruining sport is just funny though.
 
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ingsve said:
Ya, this was mentioned a week or so ago I think. They were apparently looking specifically for a domestique to ride at the front of the peloton for 150km so I guess Johansen is that guy for them.
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Yeah, he will just ride small races and help UAE early in the race
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
Yeah, I've invited you several times to substantiate that accusation, and you have yet to do so.
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Said I have no intention on discussing anything more with you, when you several times are saying something that I didnt. Making false assumptions or claiming my position on things without me actually claiming any of that.

It is not false accusations, as you have done it several times.

This discussion been over. Been said multiple times. Keep going though.
 
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Roku said:
If he is in that photo, yeah, he is joining them as well. Volpi (Ukyo Team Manager) said the three italians on their 2024 roster had signed for a professional team for 2025, so that would make sense.
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Based on the video they posted on FB - sorry, can't figure out how to post videos from FB here, especially not when on my phone - it would appear as if they have signed multiple Carbonis.
 
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