Just like his near namesakeMartinez has a well documented history of underperforming around May because of allergies, so I doubt he'll be on the Giro team.
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Just like his near namesakeMartinez has a well documented history of underperforming around May because of allergies, so I doubt he'll be on the Giro team.
That's an excellent development.They even bought out Martínez' contract then, woah. Once again a scary haul for them.
Though EF's finances might look pretty bleak too, considering that Woods also exits when he actually had a contract with them for 2021.
I told you Martinez is the new Martin.Just like his near namesake
They're gaining a sh*tload of riders who can win WT one week stage races for starters, and possibly their biggest star for the next decade.i am actually not sure what Ineos is gaining here.
don't get me wrong -- all very strong riders.
but the sky/ineos train tactic only works if you have THE strongest. otherwise someone like pog can just ride behind the ineos train and benefit from it, just like he did jumbo.
the reason jumbo's mimicking of ineos mountain train did not work, was that rog -- though super strong -- was not able to then take it to the necessary conclusion by dropping everyone once the train was done -- as Froome did, as Thomas did and even Bernal did.
martinez, yates and a year older porte are not going to make it any easier now for bernal.
he still has to be better than pog (and anyone else for that matter).
only one i am interested about is pidcock, tho i wish he had gone to another team...
i am actually not sure what Ineos is gaining here.
don't get me wrong -- all very strong riders.
but the sky/ineos train tactic only works if you have THE strongest. otherwise someone like pog can just ride behind the ineos train and benefit from it, just like he did jumbo.
the reason jumbo's mimicking of ineos mountain train did not work, was that rog -- though super strong -- was not able to then take it to the necessary conclusion by dropping everyone once the train was done -- as Froome did, as Thomas did and even Bernal did.
martinez, yates and a year older porte are not going to make it any easier now for bernal.
he still has to be better than pog (and anyone else for that matter).
only one i am interested about is pidcock, tho i wish he had gone to another team...
i am actually not sure what Ineos is gaining here.
don't get me wrong -- all very strong riders.
but the sky/ineos train tactic only works if you have THE strongest. otherwise someone like pog can just ride behind the ineos train and benefit from it, just like he did jumbo.
the reason jumbo's mimicking of ineos mountain train did not work, was that rog -- though super strong -- was not able to then take it to the necessary conclusion by dropping everyone once the train was done -- as Froome did, as Thomas did and even Bernal did.
martinez, yates and a year older porte are not going to make it any easier now for bernal.
he still has to be better than pog (and anyone else for that matter).
only one i am interested about is pidcock, tho i wish he had gone to another team...
True..And the lesson there is that they're going to have to do something a bit more creative than the train. Porte is a good train driver (and is also about the same height as Bernal; handy for bike swaps), but Martinez showed at the Dauphine and in his Tour stage win that he's a good rider to send up the road; strong in the climbs, but also well able to tow a group along in valleys and on false flats.
Question is are they signing dePlus as a leader, or as the new Poels?
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C´mon Bernal had back problems this year. One can´t just write him off because of one bad GT in the corona year..There isn't really much anyone's going to be able to do about Pogacar and Evenepoel next year, no matter what tactics they use (maybe Simon Yates). In Pidcock, Ineos have a rider that at least looks likely to challenge in 2022. Which is more than nearly every other team can say at the moment.
The other four signings are all handy for stage races/the train and/or one-day races. I'd say this one of the best set of signings Ineos have made?
A year ago, we would've said the same about Bernal, Carapaz and Evenepoel, and a year before that about British riders and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Dumoulin and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Quintana and Evenepoel, and I'm not sure what Remco was doing the year before that but we were pretty sure he was going to dominate something, and Froomey fits in there somewhere.There isn't really much anyone's going to be able to do about Pogacar and Evenepoel next year, no matter what tactics they use (maybe Simon Yates). In Pidcock, Ineos have a rider that at least looks likely to challenge in 2022. Which is more than nearly every other team can say at the moment.
The other four signings are all handy for stage races/the train and/or one-day races. I'd say this one of the best set of signings Ineos have made?
C´mon Bernal had back problems this year. One can´t just write him off because of one bad GT in the corona year..
Well in my opinion it would be pretty stupid if Jumbo ride in the same way next year like this year. Of course it will depend a lot of the route, but it would make much more sense to use their horsepower in the mountains for tactical advantages then just work in the end for Pogacar with a train.I think with a team at the Tour of
Bernal, Carapaz,Porte, Kwia, Rowe, Yates, Sivakov and Martinez you could potentially go feck the train and just have sit behind the likely Jumbo one and send guys off the front and make Jumbo chase harder.
It's going to be very difficult for anyone to put a train together to out-train the Jumbo lads so best hope is have a team of guys so strong they're not going to drop easy in climbs (all being healthy and in form of course) that you keep them close in GC so that you can have 2/3 of them start attacking to make things hard and hope Bernal can then capitalise.
A year ago, we would've said the same about Bernal, Carapaz and Evenepoel, and a year before that about British riders and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Dumoulin and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Quintana and Evenepoel, and I'm not sure what Remco was doing the year before that but we were pretty sure he was going to dominate something, and Froomey fits in there somewhere.
Well in my opinion it would be pretty stupid if Jumbo ride in the same way next year like this year. Of course it will depend a lot of the route, but it would make much more sense to use their horsepower in the mountains for tactical advantages then just work in the end for Pogacar with a train.
A year ago, we would've said the same about Bernal, Carapaz and Evenepoel, and a year before that about British riders and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Dumoulin and Evenepoel, and a year before that about Quintana and Evenepoel, and I'm not sure what Remco was doing the year before that but we were pretty sure he was going to dominate something, and Froomey fits in there somewhere.
I dunno. Add Kruijswijk back into that team instead of Jansen and maybe they'd have been able to win. They're also adding Oomen.
Imo, Roglic wins if Jumbo are more aggressive and pay attention to Pogacar earlier instead of Roglic wanting to climb with his friend. Or if they use Dumoulin better to keep him in GC hopes and force others to work more.
Even if they don't change, that team with Kruijswijk there, and it Bennett doesn't get hurt earlier causes pain for every team in the race. I mean Van Aert is the 6th worst climber when they're all fit in that team.
Add Kruiswijk to that train and they still wouldn’t have dropped Pogacar. They needed to do something creative to drop the kid and make him put his face in the wind. Other than on the Loze, with Kuss, they never did.I dunno. Add Kruijswijk back into that team instead of Jansen and maybe they'd have been able to win. They're also adding Oomen.
Imo, Roglic wins if Jumbo are more aggressive and pay attention to Pogacar earlier instead of Roglic wanting to climb with his friend. Or if they use Dumoulin better to keep him in GC hopes and force others to work more.
Even if they don't change, that team with Kruijswijk there, and it Bennett doesn't get hurt earlier causes pain for every team in the race. I mean Van Aert is the 6th worst climber when they're all fit in that team.
Well in my opinion it would be pretty stupid if Jumbo ride in the same way next year like this year. Of course it will depend a lot of the route, but it would make much more sense to use their horsepower in the mountains for tactical advantages then just work in the end for Pogacar with a train.
With the exceptions of Spaniards. They do have a rule on the team that over half the roster must be comprised of Spaniards. Otherwise, it does seem they have a goal to have riders from a variety of other countries.