THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION REPORT #2

[thehog]

Re: Doping In Athletics

WADA Report #2 here:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_2_2016_en.pdf

 

[thehog]

Re: Doping In Athletics

WADA Report #2 here:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_2_2016_en.pdf

Summary:

The report says that the IAAF council could not have been unaware of doping athletics.

*** Pound says Lord Coe is the best person to carry on as the IAAF president and days he doesn’t believe that the former London 2012 chief knew about the doping.

But he does say that there was a cover-up – something Coe denied on Wednesday.

Instead Pound blames organisational failure and says the blame extends beyond the Diacks but continued to absolve Coe of blame.

Of course, the Diacks are not without blame and Pound said that everything began with the former IAAF president Lamine Diack who “was responsible for organizing and enabling the conspiracy and corruption” that took place.

The commission also fears that instances of extortion in Russia and Turkey may be the ‘tip of the iceberg’.

Pound refuses to set a timeframe for Russia’s return to elite athletics competition.

Coe would have to have been enormously unobservant and detached as the Vice-President of an organisation that was involved in such widespread and extensive corruption and not to have had any suspicions about any of it yet that is what the world is being asked to believe! This is not a credible position for him or for anyone else to maintain for very long without making themselves look ridiculous!

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2016/jan/14/athletics-doping-scandal-wada-releases-part-two-of-report-live

 

[Irondan]

Discuss the Independent Commission Report #2 here.

 

[mrhender]

I struggle to fathom how Coe for all those years not being "aware" of the doping makes him "best man" for the job.

I mean how is he going to "cleanse" T&F if he has zero awareness of what is going on around him.

How on earth is this something that works in his favor?? (rhetorical)

Unless of course you want someone that seemingly wouldn't even notice it if people were injecting themselves right in front of his very eyes.

Sad thing is, that this was a good day for Coe an co.

Unbelievable.

 

[markene2]

Re:

I struggle to fathom how Coe for all those years not being "aware" of the doping makes him "best man" for the job.

I mean how is he going to "cleanse" T&F if he has zero awareness of what is going on around him.

How on earth is this something that works in his favor?? (rhetorical)

Unless of course you want someone that seemingly wouldn't even notice it if people were injecting themselves right in front of his very eyes.

Sad thing is, that this was a good day for Coe an co.

Unbelievable.

Money always talks, it wont get any better, it never will.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re:

We need a new word to cover for the omerta of the establishment - backing each other up despite the facts indicating individuals are not fit for role.

Government?

 

[sniper]

kimmage not impressed by o'sullivan
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage/status/687754771437060096
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage/status/687754955692863489

 

[Cake]

https://twitter.com/RAnneShirley

Does anyone know what Renee Anne Shirley is referring to here? What is IF?

 

[sniper]

Re:

https://twitter.com/RAnneShirley
Does anyone know what Renee Anne Shirley is referring to here? What is IF?

IF i think is International Federation. The WADA code doesn't allow personal info on athletes to be leaked by any IF. So she correctly infers IAAF, being an IF, has broken the WADA code.

RAnneShirley is a great twitter account, she knows what time it is, thoug a bit of a voice crying in the desert atm.

 

[arcus]

Pound says the IAAF was ‘suitably reactive to atypical results’ in the time period in question. He says the commission does not share the views expressed that the iAAF was inadequate in response to blood doping in period under review”.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2016/jan/14/athletics-doping-scandal-wada-releases-part-two-of-report-live

 

[Chipist]

So where was the 'wow' factor in this report? Has it been toned down? Some sections removed or something? Sounds like the powers that be have some kind a pact to me.

 

[arcus]

Nov 25th 2015

*** Pound says second part of Wada doping report will be more explosive

*** Pound, author of the report that revealed shocking levels of doping in Russian athletics and led to the suspension of Russia’s athletics federation, says the second part of the document will be even more explosive.

Pound said the next round of the World Anti-Doping Agency report that looks into possible corruption within the International Association of Athletics Federations will be even more jolting.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/25/***-pound-wada-report-explosive-wow-factor-iaaf

 

[sniper]

I think FreddytheFrog and Benotti nailed it upthread alluding to a possible threesome Reedie, Pound and Coe, the latter equipped with a nice brown Nike envelope.

Reedie "was a leading member of the London 2012 Bid Team which won the right to host the Olympic Games in London and is a Non-Executive Director of the London Organising Committee. Furthermore, he became a Board member of the Olympic Lottery Distributor in 2006." https://www.wada-ama.org/en/sir-craig-reedies-biography

who again was the chairman of that committee?
nothing to see here.

 

[sniper]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jul/26/london-2012-sir-craig-reedie-ioc

 

[frenchfry]

Re:

I struggle to fathom how Coe for all those years not being "aware" of the doping makes him "best man" for the job.

I mean how is he going to "cleanse" T&F if he has zero awareness of what is going on around him.

How on earth is this something that works in his favor?? (rhetorical)

Unless of course you want someone that seemingly wouldn't even notice it if people were injecting themselves right in front of his very eyes.

Sad thing is, that this was a good day for Coe an co.

Unbelievable.

Coe is either incredibly corrupt or incredibly incompetent. In either case he should be booted out immediately.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

I struggle to fathom how Coe for all those years not being "aware" of the doping makes him "best man" for the job.

I mean how is he going to "cleanse" T&F if he has zero awareness of what is going on around him.

How on earth is this something that works in his favor?? (rhetorical)

Unless of course you want someone that seemingly wouldn't even notice it if people were injecting themselves right in front of his very eyes.

Sad thing is, that this was a good day for Coe an co.

Unbelievable.

Coe is either incredibly corrupt or incredibly incompetent. In either case he should be booted out immediately.

booted out by whom though?
I'm afraid like with FIFA we're going to have to wait until the FBI get involved.
The Pound report was effectively an in-house operation.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

I struggle to fathom how Coe for all those years not being "aware" of the doping makes him "best man" for the job.

I mean how is he going to "cleanse" T&F if he has zero awareness of what is going on around him.

How on earth is this something that works in his favor?? (rhetorical)

Unless of course you want someone that seemingly wouldn't even notice it if people were injecting themselves right in front of his very eyes.

Sad thing is, that this was a good day for Coe an co.

Unbelievable.

Coe is either incredibly corrupt or incredibly incompetent. In either case he should be booted out immediately.

The problem they have is no sporting administration could ever clean up doping or try to. There is an entire organized crime syndicate behind distributing PEDS. That doesn't disappear overnight. Russian gangsters don't give up because WADA said so. The only way to deal with it, is to manage it the best way possible and that is to have Coe involved as he understands what goes on. You couldn't possible have anyone else who thought they could actually make a difference.

Other Feds are happy as their doping might now stand a chance. So they are happy Russia is a little more contained than normal. Swings and Roundabouts.

 

[armchairclimber]

Perhaps not with quite the same reasoning, I agree that Coe remaining in place... with everyone watching closely...is probably the best option. My reasoning is in the Athletics thread.... maybe mods want to shift a few more posts over here.

 

[mrhender]

Re:

Perhaps not with quite the same reasoning, I agree that Coe remaining in place... with everyone watching closely...is probably the best option. My reasoning is in the Athletics thread.... maybe mods want to shift a few more posts over here.

Since the IC report volume 2 came out there have been most reaction in the other thread.
It seemed to work well with independent commision report #1 thread. But right now it seems the same things are being discussed simultaneously here and in the doping in athletics thread.

Maybe it is not such a good idea woth two threads at the moment.

It can also be hard to seperate the two threads unless you are abiding to strct criterias perhaps restraining discussion.

I'am undecided and will happily take input from posters here.