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QueenStagiaire

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Berniece said:
Another week, another time the UCI show they are incapable of running the show. In this case by acting as emotionless robots.

Lucinda Brand stopped for her fallen colleague (Elisa Balsamo) because she saw it was really bad, and it was only a couple meters before the finish. The UCI decided to not give her the same time as the peloton, but losing 3min.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1791193301195927616
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Wait, was she behind the Peloton or at the back of it?
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
Wait, was she behind the Peloton or at the back of it?
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Sanguineti was part of the peloton and rode back before riding over the line. You can see it in this video, you can see someone turning back, that's Sanguineti. I'm not sure where Brand was herself.

Point is more that Balsamo crashed hard, and her time is the same as the peloton. But people stopping to help her that were also part of the peloton are punished. I find it weird, and a typical UCI move to not see this the same as a crash.
 
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Berniece said:
Sanguineti was part of the peloton and rode back before riding over the line. You can see it in this video, you can see someone turning back, that's Sanguineti. I'm not sure where Brand was herself.

Point is more that Balsamo crashed hard, and her time is the same as the peloton. But people stopping to help her that were also part of the peloton are punished. I find it weird, and a typical UCI move to not see this the same as a crash.
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It’s a bad precedent to start allowing riders to stop whenever a teammate is down but in this case it seems a bit petty especially if Balsamo is s.t.
 
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Nick2413 said:
We’re the riders who stopped actively rescuing Balsamo or just there for emotional support?
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Are you insinuating they should be able to assess the situation while riding their bikes at 60kph from a distance, whether they might be able to help, or whether it would just be for moral support they would stop? You see a person laying on the ground, hurt. You stop and see whether you can help.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Are you insinuating they should be able to assess the situation while riding their bikes at 60kph from a distance, whether they might be able to help, or whether it would just be for moral support they would stop? You see a person laying on the ground, hurt. You stop and see whether you can help.
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For ex the Itzulia crash when Tratnik or whoever it was from Visma stopped to help, that made perfect sense. Same thing if you saw Mader go over the cliff. But here it looks like a sprint finish a few meters from the line, certainly there are already medical staff and others on site. I see her standing there giving a hug to someone in the pic so by that point it’s clearly not about assessing the situation. Not trying to be rude, I get her reaction, but cyclists have to ride by crashed teammates all the time.
 
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Nick2413 said:
For ex the Itzulia crash when Tratnik or whoever it was from Visma stopped to help, that made perfect sense. Same thing if you saw Mader go over the cliff. But here it looks like a sprint finish a few meters from the line, certainly there are already medical staff and others on site. I see her standing there giving a hug to someone in the pic so by that point it’s clearly not about assessing the situation. Not trying to be rude, I get her reaction, but cyclists have to ride by crashed teammates all the time.
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And again, you can not assess that from a distance at speed. In Poland, Jakobsen crashed ON the actual line. Still it was his teammate Senechal who was first to help, and later was believed to have saved his life.
 
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Brand had been pulling inside the final km and was at the back of the peloton, but she wasn't dropped, as she probably intended to get the same time over the line. Not that she would be a favourite to win the race overall, but being a great descender she would have had a theoretical chance to get a good result in the queen stage on Sunday, and at least be giving Trek options.

Rules are rules, of course, but it's also a bit stupid that she could have got the same time by simply leaning too much into the barriers and faked an accident. She probably wouldn't have received much praise from such an action though.
 
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yaco said:
As a rider you should never get yourself into a position where you could possibly be disqualified. Stupid in the extreme.
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to an extent yes I agree, never present officialdom the opportunity to make a decision as theyll invariably make a bad call, but why didnt the commissaires during the race, bring attention to it to the rider or team they felt they were breaking that rule ?
 
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UCI's order of merit to Fazli despite knowing in advance of "dubious" behaviour is another embarrasing moment for Lappi and the crew at Aigle.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uc...president-fazli-for-abusing-fleeing-athletes/
... human rights activist Shannon Galpin, who had helped to found the first women's cycling team in Afghanistan and who was also facilitating evacuations, learned that Fazli was threatening to suspend the licenses of riders who questioned his selection of athletes to evacuate.
"They ignored cyclists and whistleblowers and shielded a known abuser."
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Shielded an abuser ... sounds familiar ... mmm.
 
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Lequack said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1801881429267100061
View: https://twitter.com/JohannesKulset/status/1801881429267100061
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Looking at this, now I actually don't see why he couldn't have been allowed to start, if UCI realised they'd made a mistake.
Sure, if he'd been pulled off his bike - well, told to get off his bike - halfway through the stage, he of course couldn't have been allowed to start the next day. However, as I read it, he only got the DSQ after the finish line, so what would have prevented the UCI from letting him start?
 
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RedheadDane said:
Looking at this, now I actually don't see why he couldn't have been allowed to start, if UCI realised they'd made a mistake.
Sure, if he'd been pulled off his bike - well, told to get off his bike - halfway through the stage, he of course couldn't have been allowed to start the next day. However, as I read it, he only got the DSQ after the finish line, so what would have prevented the UCI from letting him start?
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Their pride.
 
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