The problems on team saxo bank...

[GroupDK]

Team Saxo bank´ they are in my oppenion the best team in the world, on the last couple of years, and has been the overall team that "made" the races exciting and intrigen too watch.

But the team Saxo bank are reason for at lot of trouble at the moment.

Bjarne Riis and his staff have used a lot of resources and time to bringing his teammates very close, and they have been on a lot of survivel trips and journeys, where they did all others than cycling.

and the team had also a danish top navy guy (from the danish special forces) call B. S. Christiansen connected to the team too make the team perform top-nudge and keep focus and be very close connected internaly on the team.
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When you founded a team on these close friendship ideals, and you make sure that the team-mates also are very close friends in the real life.

I guess that this one of the primary reason that the hole team now wants to leave together with there team-mates and stay together and secure the fellowmanship they have created on Saxo bank.

So´ was it a mistake for Riis to found the team so much on friendship and bring them so close together and make such a tight unit.?

Perhaps, but then again I also belive that this is the one of the main factors for why the team has been so succesfull the last couple of years, and one of the main reason that Contador has chosen this team.

 

[DAOTEC]

Wrong ...

Contador had no choice cause of the specialized deal

Unzue would have done a buy out if Movistar had come on board in time but that unfortanately didn´t happen before TdF end.

Now it will happen 2012 ... that´s why Alonso also cancelled his project.

Riis has no 2 yaer deal and Contador is going to bring Riis down right after TdF end 2011 just like he did with Vino ...

In the year 2012 it is: Contador, Sevilla, Valverde, Henao in that order

 

[Bicicleta]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...-Bank-commitment-to-the-rest-of-his-2010.aspx


Fuglsang is not happy - not that that's new.

 

[Magnus]

Riis has no 2 yaer deal

Where did you get that idea?

 

[roundabout]

He probably means that Saxo Bank have signed on for only 1 year.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

saxo have lost the best danish riders. Riis seems to have messed things up.

 

[GroupDK]

Contador had no choice cause of the specialized deal

Unzue would have done a buy out if Movistar had come on board in time but that unfortanately didn´t happen before TdF end.

Now it will happen 2012 ... that´s why Alonso also cancelled his project.

Riis has no 2 yaer deal and Contador is going to bring Riis down right after TdF end 2011 just like he did with Vino ...

In the year 2012 it is: Contador, Sevilla, Valverde, Henao in that order

Wrong, get uptodate..

Contador is not on 1 year deal, its 2 or 3 years he has chosen.

And Riis got headsponsors for more than one year, its only Saxo-bank that in the last minute had succes in bying one year from the unknown sponsor, who i guess was Spezialized.
And you can say to your self, that it proporly wasnt a one year deal Spez. wanted, so i guess the sold one year to Saxo-bank and then take over in 2012 as the should here in 2011.

 

[erader]

saxo have lost the best danish riders. Riis seems to have messed things up.

yeah i'll take those danish riders over finally a real shot at winning the TDF .

erader

 

[khardung la]

Bjarne Riis and his staff have used a lot of resources and time to bringing his teammates very close, and they have been on a lot of survivel trips and journeys, where they did all others than cycling

Not sure that helped to the succes of the riders. Also Riis has been doing that since the CSC times and the cycling results varied a lot year after year.

When you founded a team on these close friendship ideals, and you make sure that the team-mates also are very close friends in the real life

I am not sure about that either. I love to see Overcoming every now and then, and I am not sure those guys were friends for ever. Of course some of them were, like in any other team I guess

So´ was it a mistake for Riis to found the team so much on friendship and bring them so close together and make such a tight unit.?

Probably that is just Riis publicity?. Probably many other teams are built under the same values? I think the relative succes of Saxo comes from having a Cancellara, and to a lesser extent, a Schleck . Now they will probably continue the succes by having a Contador . Wether building a good friendhip or not.

 

[GroupDK]

saxo have lost the best danish riders. Riis seems to have messed things up.

Just wait Riis will sign the best danish GC rider, aka. Michael Rasmussen for the comming season.

I would love seing Michael Rasmussen (the chicken) trimming the peloton up a OC mountain with his captain Contador on his wheel.

I hope that Riis will give Michael a chance, to prove him self.
And if a danish team with a danish sponsor and with there teamcaptain Contador, who is also stated that he feels that he deserves a chance, wouldnt give him a chance, then nobody would give him a chance, and that is just ridiculus.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

yeah i'll take those danish riders over finally a real shot at winning the TDF .

I thought he already WON the TDF (as a DS and rider alike)?

Just wait Riis will sign the best danish GC rider, aka. Michael Rasmussen for the comming season.

Isn't he mexican now?
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KIDS AVANDIA

 

[GroupDK]

I thought he already WON the TDF (as a DS and rider alike)?


Isn't he mexican now?

No no no, a litlle white chicken in bad a.s.s Mexico, is not a good thing.

Die fraue is mexican, i remember, but Michael is our chicken-



its all about Danish poultry, and it will kick A.S.S...!!!!

Danish nicknames:

Bjarne Riis = Ørnen from Herning / The Eagle.

Jakob Fuglsang = Fuglen / the bird- !

Michael Rasmussen = Kyllingen / the Chicken..

 

[Francois the Postman]

its all about Danish poultry, and it will kick A.S.S...!!!!

Danish nicknames:
Bjarne Riis = Ørnen from Herning / The Eagle.
Jakob Fuglsang = Fuglen / the bird- !
Michael Rasmussen = Kyllingen / the Chicken..

Oh boy, that's gonna stick. The Poultry squad. Riding motorized bikes, powered by hen batteries.

 

[GroupDK]

I thought he already WON the TDF (as a DS and rider alike)?


Isn't he mexican now?

Oh boy, that's gonna stick. The Poultry squad. Riding motorized bikes, powered by hen batteries.

yeah right ´ team Saxo bank uses motorized bikes and bikes with batteries, and even thow it dosnt shows up in x-ray, there still are there.-

just as, i can see a lot of ghosts humming around me right now.

Yeah, so what, i see ghost everywhere, but im still sure of team saxo bank uses motorized bikes, and bikes with batteries.

come on, yeah i now team saxo bank and the danish national track team, has kick a lot of british a.s.s and took the world championship.

and saxo bank on the road, where Millar and Wiggins, continius has been beaten.

but the (my a.s.s hurts) ideas about motorized bikes and bikes with batteries are hilerius.

 

[Francois the Postman]

I really hope you don't think for one moment that I take the pro-peloton battery bike even vaguely serious.

BTW, I'm also not British.

 

[peloton]

Just wait Riis will sign the best danish GC rider, aka. Michael Rasmussen for the comming season.

I would love seing Michael Rasmussen (the chicken) trimming the peloton up a OC mountain with his captain Contador on his wheel.

I hope that Riis will give Michael a chance, to prove him self.
And if a danish team with a danish sponsor and with there teamcaptain Contador, who is also stated that he feels that he deserves a chance, wouldnt give him a chance, then nobody would give him a chance, and that is just ridiculus.

If Riis signs the Chicken then he must be desperate.

 

[ergmonkey]

I see no problem for next year; at least, not unless Cancellara jumps ship. Riis has shipped out one friend group (Schlecks, Fuglsang, O'Grady) and replaced them with a better friend group (Contador, Hernandez,Noval, Navarro).

Better to bring in new killers who all get along than have to deal with a whiny Fuglsang or other likely ambivalent riders.

Rasmussen will be a great addition to the new squad--a native Dane who speaks fluent Spanish and is one of the only riders in the world who can set a tempo as hard as Contador will want it.

As a major fan of Danish cycling, the only loss I'm really bummed out about is Matti Breschel. I hope a team captain's role will bring him even more success, but I was hoping to see one more year of Cancellara and Breschel side-by-side in the spring (without the bad luck mechanicals this time, of course).

 

[GroupDK]

If Riis signs the Chicken then he must be desperate.

and how do you figure that.?

the only one there is desperate, seems to be you when you can make such a desperate conclusion.

If ramussen, still got the level, he would be superb man for Contador.

and it would raise the interesse in Denmark many times, because Rasmussen got a hole lot of sympaty in Denmark.

Another thing is that Rasmussen dosnt cost anything, he got so much sympaty here in Denmark, that a danish watchdesigner Christina Hembo, based in London, had take sympati in him, and are sponsor him 100 % so he is totally free of charge for Riis.

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Dont forget this is also a danish based team with a danish headsponsor.

 

[theswordsman]

I'm really curious to see how 2011 plays out for the team. The Schlecks rode the classics with Cancellara, and the guys worked for each other depending on who had the best chance in a race. Cancellara is a threat to win stages at the Tour, and wear the yellow jersey for days early on. So even on days when Contador isn't in yellow, the team has to work at the front. And they also need to help Fabian to wins, or to defend.

It's going to be interesting to see what a lot of the teams look like when contracts are signed and licenses are awarded.

There's an old management saying that goes, "The only thing worse than training employees and having them leave is not training them and having them stay". That's how I feel about the team building stuff. If Saxo Bank hadn't announced they were giving up sponsorship, I don't know if Team Luxembourg would have come about. Once the team's future was uncertain, and Frank and Andy looked at teams that could hire then both, I imagine the list was pretty short.

The bottom line is that the situation is a lot similar to Astana last year. Radio thought they had cherry picked everyone but Contador, and left him with "the dregs". They were pretty arrogant about it. I expect Riis will make a couple of more good signings, get everyone else on the same page, and have a strong year, hopefully with two grand tour wins.

 

[Andrichuk]

Just wait Riis will sign the best danish GC rider, aka. Michael Rasmussen for the comming season.

I would love seing Michael Rasmussen (the chicken) trimming the peloton up a OC mountain with his captain Contador on his wheel.

I hope that Riis will give Michael a chance, to prove him self.
And if a danish team with a danish sponsor and with there teamcaptain Contador, who is also stated that he feels that he deserves a chance, wouldnt give him a chance, then nobody would give him a chance, and that is just ridiculus.

He is 36 and no one wants to tarnish their reputation by taking him on board. Give it up, hes done.

 

[Galic Ho]

He is 36 and no one wants to tarnish their reputation by taking him on board. Give it up, hes done.

The only thing stopping Rasmussen coming back like Basso and Vino did is that he ****ed off the UCI more than the other two did. Rasmussen told the worlds press how the UCI were behaving and they didn't like being ratted on. If someon stands by him and backs him, ala Riis, then he would be allowed back onto a Pro Tour team.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I think that 2011 will be a more testing year for Riis. Yes, he has conador but he is losing multiple guys who get lots of results in the classics and stage races and guys who are great domestiques. It will reallu test how good his development skills of team saxo bak are. Luckily for AC's sake he still has porte who will be great all round support.

 

[blaxland]

I think that 2011 will be a more testing year for Riis. Yes, he has conador but he is losing multiple guys who get lots of results in the classics and stage races and guys who are great domestiques. It will reallu test how good his development skills of team saxo bak are. Luckily for AC's sake he still has porte who will be great all round support.

Agree it will be a testing year for Riis,but he has shown in the past that he knows how to nuture and bring up young riders like Breschel,Fuglsang and Porte.Also remember he brings on board plenty of climbing helpers with the Spaniards that Contador brought along with him....Riis will have good year with the riders he already has at his desposal..

 

[gregod]

I'm a little late to the discussion.

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But the team Saxo bank are reason for at lot of trouble at the moment.

Bjarne Riis and his staff have used a lot of resources and time to bringing his teammates very close, and they have been on a lot of survivel trips and journeys, where they did all others than cycling.

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When you founded a team on these close friendship ideals, and you make sure that the team-mates also are very close friends in the real life.

I guess that this one of the primary reason that the hole team now wants to leave together with there team-mates and stay together and secure the fellowmanship they have created on Saxo bank.

So´ was it a mistake for Riis to found the team so much on friendship and bring them so close together and make such a tight unit.?

Perhaps, but then again I also belive that this is the one of the main factors for why the team has been so succesfull the last couple of years, and one of the main reason that Contador has chosen this team.

It seems to me that professionals don't really need all of that rah-rah stuff. A payheck is a pretty strong reason to give your all for the team. Another thing; i saw a documentary about CSC when Sastre was with the team and it really seemed as if he was uncomfortable with all of Riis' and other staff members' touchy-feely stuff.

On the other hand, the mass exodus could be a sign that his bonding sessions worked too well.

Just wait Riis will sign the best danish GC rider, aka. Michael Rasmussen for the comming season.
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I would like to see that too. I think Rasmussen has gotten a raw deal compared to others who have been done for doping. That said, I think it is unlikely that Riis would sigh him because of the potential for conflict with Contador. But maybe he could sign him as a team leader either the giro or vuelta.

 

[Ruxen1989]

Agree

He is 36 and no one wants to tarnish their reputation by taking him on board. Give it up, hes done.

Notice I'm 100% danish!!!
and I don't have sympathy with Rasmussen. I don't care about the fact that he has apoligized for some of his rage-fits when he was taken out of the tour and he deserved to get thrown out because he broke rules, he knew very well and then he won't apoligize for that. You don't go out and say that you wish to see others from the cycling world harmed because you are ****ed. He's done.

Something I find ironic and anoying about us danes. We have sympathy with Rasmussen despite his obvious very non-professionel and behaviour when he was pulled out of the tour. Some even defend his reaction and say that it is time to forget. Right now we are kILLING, especially Schleck but also O'Grady for having taken a night out, drinking, and say that it was SOO respectless and not professionel. It was, but I think Andy handled the aftermath very well. He apoligized and said he had made a mistake, accepted the punishment and case closed.
That is what I call the danish doublestandards!