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Yeah I hate the weak era discussion surrounding Federer. Hewitt , Safin, Roddick, Ferrer etc would in my opinion slaughter Thiem , Merdevev, Zverev. Obviously as an Aussie our media is intense and overbearing so we copped an onslaught about Hewitt but I still think his peak stands up to the test of time as a very good player
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Lol absoloute hilarious, Hewitt has ground strokes of a women player lol the hell you talking about. Hewitt could move well and run but when the likes of Djokovic and Nadal were around they pushed that to a new level. Hewitt probably has the worst ground strokes of any champion in last 20 years. Thiem absoloute obliterates him peak for peak, the groundstrokes stand the test of time and Thiem is far superiour in a crazy way too. Imagine what Nick Kyrgios does too Hewitt lol...

Zverev is another great player and very young will win many slams in the future. Don't listen to the people that claim this new generation sucks. No one ate in this era because we are watching the 3 best to ever play the game. Murray ate abit and so did Stan. Andy Murray is also very underrated he was just up against a juggernaut in his slam losses. Probably a top 20 player all time Murray is you could even argue top 15 2 Olympic Gold medals to go with his 3 slams, may not have the slams but look who he was up against.
 
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This must be the most confusing week in tennis history. Six different tournaments played in the same place...

I get the reason but it's still almost impossible to keep track of, especially here at the start of the week.
 
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tbh I've always thought Safin was meant to be one of the greats, but his work ethic prevented him from achieving more grand slams.
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Injuries played a bigger role than worth ethic. Every time he started to play really well he got injured. His knee injury two months after winning in Australia pretty much derailed his career. He was never the same player after that.
 
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tobydawq said:
This must be the most confusing week in tennis history. Six different tournaments played in the same place...

I get the reason but it's still almost impossible to keep track of, especially here at the start of the week.
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And no tennis played at all today due to 1 new covid case. Most of the results of those he encountered should come through tomorrow....Melbourne has it's fingers crossed....
 
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BullsFan22 said:
Injuries played a bigger role than worth ethic. Every time he started to play really well he got injured. His knee injury two months after winning in Australia pretty much derailed his career. He was never the same player after that.
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Safin was inconsistent even when healthy. His stats were underwhelming which makes it nearly impossible to dominate for any period of time in the 21st century
 
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tobydawq said:
Gregory, are you a woman? And was it you who gave the finger to Rafa and had to be escorted out of Rod Laver Arena???
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I am rather feminine, but I do identify as male :p

I haven't gone this year (if I had it would probably have been to see Gavrilova) and unfortunately no fans will be at the tennis for the next five days (new Melbourne lockdown) and maybe for the rest of the tournament. A shame, as there has been some good atmosphere with the crowds, in particular Nick Kyrgios second round match.
 
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I am rather feminine, but I do identify as male :p

I haven't gone this year (if I had it would probably have been to see Gavrilova) and unfortunately no fans will be at the tennis for the next five days (new Melbourne lockdown) and maybe for the rest of the tournament. A shame, as there has been some good atmosphere with the crowds, in particular Nick Kyrgios second round match.
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Yeah, that's a real pity. Maybe Thiem will be killed off by the spectators at the last minute.
 
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Thiem managed to escape the clutches of Kyrgios and the audience after a great match.

Now, Djokovic is on the ropes as the spectators begin to leave because they have to be home in 45 minutes. He is visibly hurting from abdominal pain and just lost the third set after winning the first two.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
4 of the 5 top seeded men have already played a 5th set. Don't think that has happened very often in the last few years. Nadal might actually get his 2nd AO
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Doubt it. I think Tsitsipas, Thiems and Medvedevs 5 setters were all relatively meaningless IMO, and despite not dropping a set himself Nadal looks worse to me than those 3. Thiem impressed me with his comeback but even without Djokovic his draw looks the hardest.

Djokovic I don't expect to make it through his 4th round.

Veni Vidi Fognini will happen.
 
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Red Rick said:
Doubt it. I think Tsitsipas, Thiems and Medvedevs 5 setters were all relatively meaningless IMO, and despite not dropping a set himself Nadal looks worse to me than those 3. Thiem impressed me with his comeback but even without Djokovic his draw looks the hardest.

Djokovic I don't expect to make it through his 4th round.

Veni Vidi Fognini will happen.
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To be fair I haven't seen much of Nadal in this tournament so far, but I assumed his shape will be fine after not dropping a set so far. I don't know, if Djokovic doesn't recover from his injury I'd still take Nadal over the young guns (who aren't even that young anymore) especially if their shape doesn't exactly look untouchable either.
I'd love Thiem to make another run to the final but yeah, his draw worries me a bit.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
To be fair I haven't seen much of Nadal in this tournament so far, but I assumed his shape will be fine after not dropping a set so far. I don't know, if Djokovic doesn't recover from his injury I'd still take Nadal over the young guns (who aren't even that young anymore) especially if their shape doesn't exactly look untouchable either.
I'd love Thiem to make another run to the final but yeah, his draw worries me a bit.
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Nadal just looks slow and tentative, but he somehow always does especially when the forehand isn't really firing. But then if I've watched a video of Nadal from 10 years ago in the last 2 weeks I'll always think Nadal is slow is *** now.

Djokovic seems to have a muscle tear, and going by his previous round, I don't think he can really play to a high level. Medvedev just doing random Medvedev things. He's consistent enough to get through matches like that but I think his top level is overrated. Just doesn't have that many big weapons. Thiem on the other hand was doing typical Thiem things, meaning brainfarting serve games away vs a servebot in the first 2 sets. For the rest his stats looked really impressive, you just have Kyrgios serving >70% first serves. Won 28 serve points in a row at one point, which supports my theory Kyrgios doesn't return serve that much better than me. Tsitsipas is fine, despite going 5 sets he never was in any real trouble.

Basically I'm not that high on any young player right now. I think Sinner could be the best but his serve is weak, and it'll take a year or 2 before we have a good idea how good Alcaraz is.

This AO was the first time I think that under 10 players from the 80s made it into the 2nd round. This all the while Djokovic and Nadal still reign supreme. Very telling for the fact that it's more the 80s generations dying off from the top level rather than these young kids being better than they are.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
It's so strange. The guys dominating tennis haven't changed since Armstrong was still winning Tours.
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Armstrong winning his last Tour after Nadal his first RG is the ones that messes with my mind the most.

The top 2 spots on the rankings have been held by the Big 4 and nobody else since July 2005 IIRC. Thiem could take it if he wins next week and Nadal doesn't reach the semi.
 
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Red Rick said:
Doubt it. I think Tsitsipas, Thiems and Medvedevs 5 setters were all relatively meaningless IMO, and despite not dropping a set himself Nadal looks worse to me than those 3. Thiem impressed me with his comeback but even without Djokovic his draw looks the hardest.

Djokovic I don't expect to make it through his 4th round.

Veni Vidi Fognini will happen.
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Fognini: Australian Open is in the bag boys :p
 
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