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Sam Bennett will have to be fast and go full-gas within the next few weeks, to earn his spot in Bora‘s Tour line-up…

In Giro, it was all about 100% for the final GC for the team. In the Tour, it‘s four man team for Vlasov, four man team for Bennett. In the Vuelta, it‘s half team for Higuita, half team for breakaway or sprint stage wins.

If Bennett doesn‘t improve, I could imagine that Ralph does what he did to Ackermann last year, and exclude Bennett from the Tour squad. Then it could be half team for Vlasov, half team consisting of breakaway specialists like Kämna, Politt, Schachmann, Konrad or Pöstlberger.

I think you are interpreting a little bit to much in Bennetts Interview.

Vlasov will go for GC or stages depending on how he goes through the first week.

Politt and Schachmann are also 99% set for the Tour - because you need the German riders for the Tour to get the exposure in the home country. I think that's also the reason why they think about bringing even Kämna to the race and why the started Buchmann in the last two years although he wasn't ready to perform. Both or all 3 riders will support the team and go for stages. When you are not in the breakaway you can do other stuff and the terrain on which those guys can be successful is very different.

With Konrad and Großschartner it could be more of the same although those two could more come into a mountain domestique situation if needed. I think both of those have to show form in the dauphine and suisse to be brought to the Tour but I would say it's likely.

Then there is the questions with the Sprints. It's possible that Denk also cuts Bennett but I would say unlikely at this moment. He's clearly not in form, but leaving him out of the tour and getting the third problem with a sprinter in almost as many years wouldn't be wise. The Giro clearly in one way released the pressure from leadership to go all in on every GC but it also raised the pressure to confirm that it wasn't a one time fluke.

The realistic option I guess is Bennett with a short(ish) Sprint train. Archbold has no business being in any tour the france line up. Mullen and Haller could be also great option for the tour as the seem to being good form.

Last but not least: van Poppel should be a lock even. without Bennett there. He's one of the best riders in the team and get you results in a broad set of stages. All in all a full sprint train for Bennett is a fever dream not more.
 
I am not sure about Bennett. I think he still needs to win one race against strong competition. If Bennett proves that he can beat the top sprinters he definately should go with 1-2 leadout riders. At the moment he seems to miss some form, especially in hard races he can't really sprint. I agree that van Poppel should be a lock.
 
I am not sure about Bennett. I think he still needs to win one race against strong competition. If Bennett proves that he can beat the top sprinters he definately should go with 1-2 leadout riders. At the moment he seems to miss some form, especially in hard races he can't really sprint. I agree that van Poppel should be a lock.

Well, one could argue that the less good he is, the more leadout riders he should get in order to be successful...
 
Also I don't think that Bora cares that much about giving Vlasov a full support team or building a multiple option team like for the Giro. From the start of the season the goal was always to send a stage hunting team. They even selected Vlasov with that goal in mind. So why go through the problems of upending that plan? In the grand scheme of things Bennett could contest 3-4 flat Sprint stages. For the more difficult stuff and breakaways they have guys like Politt, van Poppel and Schachmann. Btw Politt is also a good rider to bring van Poppel and Bennett in a good position with one km to go. I don't think mire is needed anyway as Bora don't have to chase breaks with Quick-Step and Lotto in the mix.

The only rider that could be up for debate is Mullen, who is riding a really fine season in my eyes but could be left out in favor of Kämna or Haller who can win a tour stage on their own.

Also sending Bennett to the Vuelta shouldn't be an option as this should be the second big GC goal of the season. PCS has now listed Buchmann and Hindley alongside Higuita. As I already mentioned I think this startlist will be further cleaned up as Walls and Meeus are nowhere near the form to contest a GT field. Bennett has at least some results this year. So I think they will make this Tour a free for all to keep key riders happy and then if the Vuelta shows a competitive Bora Team against the bigger names (Evenepoel, Pogacar, Roglic, Martinez etc.) they will possibly tackle next years Tour differently especially if there are a low number of TT kms.
 
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Also I don't think that Bora cares that much about giving Vlasov a full support team or building a multiple option team like for the Giro. From the start of the season the goal was always to send a stage hunting team. They even selected Vlasov with that goal in mind. So why go through the problems of upending that plan? In the grand scheme of things Bennett could contest 3-4 flat Sprint stages. For the more difficult stuff and breakaways they have guys like Politt, van Poppel and Schachmann. Btw Politt is also a good rider to bring van Poppel and Bennett in a good position with one km to go. I don't think mire is needed anyway as Bora don't have to chase breaks with Quick-Step and Lotto in the mix.

The only rider that could be up for debate is Mullen, who is riding a really fine season in my eyes but could be left out in favor of Kämna or Haller who can win a tour stage on their own.

Also sending Bennett to the Vuelta shouldn't be an option as this should be the second big GC goal of the season. PCS has now listed Buchmann and Hindley alongside Higuita. As I already mentioned I think this startlist will be further cleaned up as Walls and Meeus are nowhere near the form to contest a GT field. Bennett has at least some results this year. So I think they will make this Tour a free for all to keep key riders happy and then if the Vuelta shows a competitive Bora Team against the bigger names (Evenepoel, Pogacar, Roglic, Martinez etc.) they will possibly tackle next years Tour differently especially if there are a low number of TT kms.
I think to make it easier for ourselves we’ll need to start listing who is NOT going to the Vuelta, as that field is (or I guess, we expect to be) really loaded this year!
 
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Back to the Bennett/Tour discussion. Are we reaching the point where they should just drop him. His leadout man continues to outperform him and it looks like Bora has an endless supply of climbers/stage hunters that could wreck havoc in the Tour.

Right now the Tour short list looks like this: Bennett, Konrad, Van Poppel, Schachmann. Großschartner. Vlasov, Politt, Mullen, Archbold.
It wasn mentioned that Kamna is an option for the Tour as well.

Would drop Mullen, Archbold and Bennett. Van Poppel has shown that he can get some results with less support and even more important can get over a cat 4 climb. Add Kamna and Haller.
 
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They left Ackermann at home because of no results, so it’s difficult to bring Bennett without good results.
I really hope they bring Haller, he could escort Vlasov in the cobbles stage, so Politt is free and can go for the stage.

A team of Vlasov, Schachmann, Konrad, Großschartner, Politt, Haller, Van Poppel and maybe Kämna could challenge the stage win at every hilly/mountain stage.
 
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They left Ackermann at home because of no results, so it’s difficult to bring Bennett without good results.
I really hope they bring Haller, he could escort Vlasov in the cobbles stage, so Politt is free and can go for the stage.

A team of Vlasov, Schachmann, Konrad, Großschartner, Politt, Haller, Van Poppel and maybe Kämna could challenge the stage win at every hilly/mountain stage.

They left Ackermann out of the Tour because there was no space between Sagan, Kelderman and the new addition of Buchmann. Sagan had a good year up until then so there was a sprint alternative already ready. I think if Ackermann would have been the clearly stronger sprinter (as he should be in mass sprints) I agree things would have been different. So the results had something to do with it, but also the alternatives were there at this time. Sagan for the sprints and Buchmann to sell to the media as the german hope for the Tour (which would have been Ackermann).

The situation with Bennett is different. Do they have a real alternative for the sprints? Maybe van Poppel, but he's normally not a finisher in Bunch Sprints and would get his chances in reduced fields even with Bennett there. Politt, Schachmann and Konrad will be a lot out in Breaks and Vlasov will be either in the GC fight or also going for stages if he's far back after the first week. So with everyone kind of doing their own thing it doesn't hurt as mich to go for Bennett in the 4 to 5 stages that he can make the sprint.

The fallout with Ackermann looks not too bad for Bora. he was out of contract anyway and the situation with his leadout soured quite a bit. It could be bad if Bora got away with a bad rep with agents and cyclists, but I don't see that. Ackermann moved to UAE (which totally goes against his arguments in the beef with Bora) and he brings no results. With Bennett it would be another wound on top of the stuff that happened the last time around. There's also a year left on the contract and Bora (as mentioned above) doesn't really have the alternatives. If there's no change of plans because the want to give Vlasov a more GC focused team I think they should bring Bennett and don't get a controversy going. There's also no alternative plan for Bennett in my opinion. They will bring more GC firepower to the Vuelta and possibly bring some guys for development reasons. Then next years I think there could be no place for a sprinter in the tour anyway. It will depend also on the route of course. For Bora the Tour is the holy grail and you can bet they are bringing Buchmann plus Hindley/Vlasov/Higuita if the route is not to TT heavy and go for a shot at GC (Pogacar and Roglic can't ignore the Giro forever imo maybe that is the year to have a more open race).

As for the last place in the line-up (7 men should be clear if nothings happens): Mullen, Haller or Kämna would be all good choices and bring something good to the team. I think Kämna should go for the Vuelta.
 
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I noticed this Danny van Poppel guy becomes better and better. He now often is even faster than his leader Sam Bennett.

Danny van Poppel is a really good rider for himself. I like his loyalty and serious approach to his sport… :)
He used to be a big talent back in the day. Always was prone for illness and injuries though. I'm glad he's finally able to fulfill his potential a bit and develop as a rider.

Wouldn't have expected that anymore to be honest.
 
Nice win for Higuita in Poland, today!… He seems to be in the shape he needs for Vuelta… :)

If Bora really send all five, that is Higuita, Hindley, Vlasov, Kelderman and Buchmann, to the Vuelta, then one of these guys could win the final Vuelta GC.

For Higuita, Vuelta will even be the main goal of 2022‘s season. But this year, his first at Bora Hansgrohe, was already really successful.

Bora bought Hindley, Higuita and Vlasov for 2022, and all these three fulfilled the expectations more than 100%… :)
 
I personally don't think that Vlasov will be starting La Vuelta but he's on the startlist at PCS and maybe considered for the broader startlist. Already confirmed for the start are Buchmann, Hindley and Higuita. Kelderman himself has shown interest and stated that publicly. But he will probably also leave the team so his participation will certainly be denpendent on if he and the team can agree on smaller role for him in the Vuelta team. Palzer and Wandahl were listed at the start of the season for the Vuelta but a lot has happened since then. Bora used the Vuelta from 2019 on basically as a GT training for younger and unexperienced riders. Now with their success in stage racing they might be not good enough for a team that wants to challenge for the win/podium.

I also don't think that they will bring a classic sprinter. Bennet and Mullen could start according to Dan Lorang but for me that seems unlikely because Bennett is like with the Tour not even the best sprinter considered for the Vuelta. Meeus has the better results this season and also has shown better form recently. If they bring Meeus I think he will have the chance to challenge a few stages, but his main focus will be in a support role, like with van Poppel. From the rest of the startlist on PCS: Walls is clearly not an option as he has no form and had that crash yesterday. Fabbro is also on the startlist but has shown nothing in the past year that would make him a good fit for the team. But he is in Spain currently so he will be an option. The same goes for Laas and Gamper who will also start Burgos. Both also did the Vuelta last year in supporting roles. There are many flat stages, stages with only a hard climb at the end and a TTT in this Vuelta. If they want any chance of a podium and that multi-leader advantage they need to bring some big bodies and work horses for the team. The current team doesn't have the depth to stack three GTs with the talent for that so they have to get creative this time around and then fix that hole in the transfer market.

For the Vuelta I think the team should look like that:

Captain No. 1: Higuita - the Vuelta is his main target this year. His form looks good and he raced really successful this year. Depending on the form of Alaphilippe, the start of Roglic and the postioning of Hayter he could be the favourite to win stage 3,9 and 17 if it goes to the GC group. GC-wise I can't see him win even if his TT improved at Bora. To me he isn't consistent enough, had no nuclear climbing performance in the high mountain until now and still has a few minutes of backage because of the TT. But a Top 10 or even a top 5 are certainly within reach.

Captain No. 1b: Hindley - had his shot at the Giro and nailed it. Higuita had toi wait for the Vuelta so I think it's fine to set Hindley a notch behind him internally at the start. But when it comes to those hard MTFs Hindley could become quickly a contender if he reaches his Giro level in week two of the Vuelta. In my mind he is one of the few guys that could outclimb Remco and Almeida consistently. If thats enough to win - hard to say as they will win time in the TTs and on some other stages.

Rider No. 3 - Free role: Buchmann - the form seems great if he does such things as bridging on the flat like he did on sunday. The Vuelta always seems like a good fit for him but he never got the timing right. The TTs are a problem and he's also missing the explosiveness on the steep stuff and to go with those attacks of the likes of Evenepoel. don't think that this will be a big worry for Bora. if he's there in the Top 10 before stage 14 great - then let's figure out how to use this to the advantage of the team. If he's not he will slot in in a support role maybe with on or two flyers in a break in week three.

Rider No. 4 - super domestique: Kelderman - they need him in the exact same role as in the Giro. If Wilco is committet to that they have to take him. Probably he will have some freedoms to try here and there for a stage if the team feels confident in the rest handling the situation, but the main focus will be bringing Higuita and Hindley in the right spots to the important mountain sections in the Vuelta. His TT also will help the team.

Rider No.5 - The Bodyguard: Gamper - Don't see anyone in the Team ready for the Vuelta that fills this role as competent as Gamper. Great work at the Giro. if in form even smaller mountains aren't a big problem. Also you need this kind of rider if you find yourself under whichever circumstances in the leaders jersey at a point in the race.

Rider No. 6 - The guy for the first phases of the stages: Meeus - he shouldn't go as a sprinter to the Vuelta. But the team needs another guy that could control on the flat, pull team mates back after mechanicals/crashes or keep them out of trouble in the hectic starting weekend. If he can sprint for example on stage 21 or 16 - ok why not. His other big advantage is that the has down decent shorter TT efforts, so he is a body to burn in the TTT. Mullen would be of course even better for nthat role but I figuered he would only start if Bennett does, so I left him out.

Now it gets really thin:

Rider No.7 - Wandahl. Selection based on form. I can't figure out if he will be a big problem in the TTT but he had a good Tour de Wallonie and had some decent efforts in the break this year. So he could be a possible satellite rider, but could be also too much for him in the first GT.

Rider no. 8 - It's a little bit of a unprobable idea because of the startlist on pcs but I would select Zwiehoff if he does well in that czech race. He has proven himself to be a reliable, steady help until the point in the race where the business begins. With that Vuelta course he will be there deep into the stages. What sets him apart from Palzer is his racing instinct which makes him a better domestique and even someone I would put Buchmann or Higuita behind his wheel without getting nervous. Fabbro would be the other option but I wouldn't but in another lightweight rider for this course.

This team seems unlikely but I think its the best Bora could do with the ressources they have left and accepting that they are sending viable options like Politt, Schachmann, Koch and Haller to other races like the Deutschland Tour or that race in Hamburg.
 
I personally don't think that Vlasov will be starting La Vuelta but he's on the startlist at PCS and maybe considered for the broader startlist. Already confirmed for the start are Buchmann, Hindley and Higuita. Kelderman himself has shown interest and stated that publicly. But he will probably also leave the team so his participation will certainly be denpendent on if he and the team can agree on smaller role for him in the Vuelta team. Palzer and Wandahl were listed at the start of the season for the Vuelta but a lot has happened since then. Bora used the Vuelta from 2019 on basically as a GT training for younger and unexperienced riders. Now with their success in stage racing they might be not good enough for a team that wants to challenge for the win/podium.

I also don't think that they will bring a classic sprinter. Bennet and Mullen could start according to Dan Lorang but for me that seems unlikely because Bennett is like with the Tour not even the best sprinter considered for the Vuelta. Meeus has the better results this season and also has shown better form recently. If they bring Meeus I think he will have the chance to challenge a few stages, but his main focus will be in a support role, like with van Poppel. From the rest of the startlist on PCS: Walls is clearly not an option as he has no form and had that crash yesterday. Fabbro is also on the startlist but has shown nothing in the past year that would make him a good fit for the team. But he is in Spain currently so he will be an option. The same goes for Laas and Gamper who will also start Burgos. Both also did the Vuelta last year in supporting roles. There are many flat stages, stages with only a hard climb at the end and a TTT in this Vuelta. If they want any chance of a podium and that multi-leader advantage they need to bring some big bodies and work horses for the team. The current team doesn't have the depth to stack three GTs with the talent for that so they have to get creative this time around and then fix that hole in the transfer market.

For the Vuelta I think the team should look like that:

Captain No. 1: Higuita - the Vuelta is his main target this year. His form looks good and he raced really successful this year. Depending on the form of Alaphilippe, the start of Roglic and the postioning of Hayter he could be the favourite to win stage 3,9 and 17 if it goes to the GC group. GC-wise I can't see him win even if his TT improved at Bora. To me he isn't consistent enough, had no nuclear climbing performance in the high mountain until now and still has a few minutes of backage because of the TT. But a Top 10 or even a top 5 are certainly within reach.

Captain No. 1b: Hindley - had his shot at the Giro and nailed it. Higuita had toi wait for the Vuelta so I think it's fine to set Hindley a notch behind him internally at the start. But when it comes to those hard MTFs Hindley could become quickly a contender if he reaches his Giro level in week two of the Vuelta. In my mind he is one of the few guys that could outclimb Remco and Almeida consistently. If thats enough to win - hard to say as they will win time in the TTs and on some other stages.

Rider No. 3 - Free role: Buchmann - the form seems great if he does such things as bridging on the flat like he did on sunday. The Vuelta always seems like a good fit for him but he never got the timing right. The TTs are a problem and he's also missing the explosiveness on the steep stuff and to go with those attacks of the likes of Evenepoel. don't think that this will be a big worry for Bora. if he's there in the Top 10 before stage 14 great - then let's figure out how to use this to the advantage of the team. If he's not he will slot in in a support role maybe with on or two flyers in a break in week three.

Rider No. 4 - super domestique: Kelderman - they need him in the exact same role as in the Giro. If Wilco is committet to that they have to take him. Probably he will have some freedoms to try here and there for a stage if the team feels confident in the rest handling the situation, but the main focus will be bringing Higuita and Hindley in the right spots to the important mountain sections in the Vuelta. His TT also will help the team.

Rider No.5 - The Bodyguard: Gamper - Don't see anyone in the Team ready for the Vuelta that fills this role as competent as Gamper. Great work at the Giro. if in form even smaller mountains aren't a big problem. Also you need this kind of rider if you find yourself under whichever circumstances in the leaders jersey at a point in the race.

Rider No. 6 - The guy for the first phases of the stages: Meeus - he shouldn't go as a sprinter to the Vuelta. But the team needs another guy that could control on the flat, pull team mates back after mechanicals/crashes or keep them out of trouble in the hectic starting weekend. If he can sprint for example on stage 21 or 16 - ok why not. His other big advantage is that the has down decent shorter TT efforts, so he is a body to burn in the TTT. Mullen would be of course even better for nthat role but I figuered he would only start if Bennett does, so I left him out.

Now it gets really thin:

Rider No.7 - Wandahl. Selection based on form. I can't figure out if he will be a big problem in the TTT but he had a good Tour de Wallonie and had some decent efforts in the break this year. So he could be a possible satellite rider, but could be also too much for him in the first GT.

Rider no. 8 - It's a little bit of a unprobable idea because of the startlist on pcs but I would select Zwiehoff if he does well in that czech race. He has proven himself to be a reliable, steady help until the point in the race where the business begins. With that Vuelta course he will be there deep into the stages. What sets him apart from Palzer is his racing instinct which makes him a better domestique and even someone I would put Buchmann or Higuita behind his wheel without getting nervous. Fabbro would be the other option but I wouldn't but in another lightweight rider for this course.

This team seems unlikely but I think its the best Bora could do with the ressources they have left and accepting that they are sending viable options like Politt, Schachmann, Koch and Haller to other races like the Deutschland Tour or that race in Hamburg.

I would say that Higuitas Tour of Suisse performance is at least some prove of his ability in the high mountains this year.

Maybe Sierra Nevada stage is more high mountain, but besides that stage I don’t think that the Vuelta reaches altitudes that were higher than those on which Higuita had a similar level to Thomas just before the Tour.

On the selection matter I think Fabbro would be a better addition to Wandahl in terms of being a very useful domestique, even though his form has been lacking a bit. All in all it is a fair assessment of the teams possibilities.

with the addition that Buchmann will only get a free role because of his nationality. Because he definitely doesn’t deserve it compared to Hindley or Higuita.
 
I would say that Higuitas Tour of Suisse performance is at least some prove of his ability in the high mountains this year.

Maybe Sierra Nevada stage is more high mountain, but besides that stage I don’t think that the Vuelta reaches altitudes that were higher than those on which Higuita had a similar level to Thomas just before the Tour.

On the selection matter I think Fabbro would be a better addition to Wandahl in terms of being a very useful domestique, even though his form has been lacking a bit. All in all it is a fair assessment of the teams possibilities.

with the addition that Buchmann will only get a free role because of his nationality. Because he definitely doesn’t deserve it compared to Hindley or Higuita.
Of course part of it is Buchmanns nationality. I'm from Germany so I know that it's kind of important to have a German in contention for the bigger races that get at least some media attention. Therefore also the desire to try at some point for GC with Kämna or Schachmann.

On the other hand Boras strategy is very international and some of the motivation for the treatment of Buchmann has clearly to do with finding a role for him as a part of the teams future, like they would at least try with all their important riders. Some times it works (Konrad) sometimes they can't come to an agreement (Ackermann, Mühlberger). denk said in the german media, that Buchmann is riding the Vuelta instead of the Deutschland Tour (biggest Media presence after the Tour in Germany and with an MTF this year) because they want to take one last look at his GT ability after the 7th place in the Giro before talking about the future.

Part of the story is for sure that he was unlucky (could have gotten a Top 5 in the 2021 Giro and was in top shape for "his" Tour in 2020 before the Dauphine crash), but also that the team dealt him a pretty shitty hand. He should have never started the 2020 or 2021 Tour de France. His addition was clearly for the German Media as he was the household name after the 2019 Tour. That really *** up the last years. This year he was fine overall with some sickness issues like most riders. If he could back the Giro up with a great Vuelta performance there might be some room for him as a B-option behind riders like Hindley or Vlasov. If they are not confident that he could achieve the level before covid they will be talking about smaller roles and smaller races, but in General I think they will work it out.
 
Of course part of it is Buchmanns nationality. I'm from Germany so I know that it's kind of important to have a German in contention for the bigger races that get at least some media attention. Therefore also the desire to try at some point for GC with Kämna or Schachmann.

On the other hand Boras strategy is very international and some of the motivation for the treatment of Buchmann has clearly to do with finding a role for him as a part of the teams future, like they would at least try with all their important riders. Some times it works (Konrad) sometimes they can't come to an agreement (Ackermann, Mühlberger). denk said in the german media, that Buchmann is riding the Vuelta instead of the Deutschland Tour (biggest Media presence after the Tour in Germany and with an MTF this year) because they want to take one last look at his GT ability after the 7th place in the Giro before talking about the future.

Part of the story is for sure that he was unlucky (could have gotten a Top 5 in the 2021 Giro and was in top shape for "his" Tour in 2020 before the Dauphine crash), but also that the team dealt him a pretty shitty hand. He should have never started the 2020 or 2021 Tour de France. His addition was clearly for the German Media as he was the household name after the 2019 Tour. That really *** up the last years. This year he was fine overall with some sickness issues like most riders. If he could back the Giro up with a great Vuelta performance there might be some room for him as a B-option behind riders like Hindley or Vlasov. If they are not confident that he could achieve the level before covid they will be talking about smaller roles and smaller races, but in General I think they will work it out.

I am not saying Buchmann is a bad rider, far from it. He should have a shot at the Vuelta in most teams. And I agree he has been quite an unlucky rider even back in 2018 in the vuelta for example.

However currently when you look at the Bora squad for the Vuelta he is not deserving of a leadership or a free role at the vuelta. Hindley is coming fresh of the back of a Giro GC win and Higuita has been winning stages everywhere and has won Catalunya and almost won Suisse. While Buchmann has been quite anonymous even in his best race this year. So while I would say that in most Vuelta line ups he would deserve the gamble this isn’t really the case at Bora for me.

And the only reason why it is still likely to happen is because of his nationality. Because if the Hindley/Buchmann case would be reversed for example I am 100% convinced that Hindley would have gone to the vuelta as a pure domestique.
 
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With Higuita, Hindley, Buchmann and Kelderman Bora brings a really strong team to the Vuelta. After the first week they should be down to two captains, the other two as super-domestiques. After those four I think they should bring one of Fabbro/Palzer/Zwiehof/Wandahl.

The other three spots should go to Mullen, Pöstlberger and Gamper. They need those three for the TTT, otherwise they loose already two minutes to the other favorites.

I think Remco alone would beat Higuita, Buchmann and Hindley together in a TT.
 
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With Higuita, Hindley, Buchmann and Kelderman Bora brings a really strong team to the Vuelta. After the first week they should be down to two captains, the other two as super-domestiques. After those four I think they should bring one of Fabbro/Palzer/Zwiehof/Wandahl.

The other three spots should go to Mullen, Pöstlberger and Gamper. They need those three for the TTT, otherwise they loose already two minutes to the other favorites.

I think Remco alone would beat Higuita, Buchmann and Hindley together in a TT.

I don't know if Pöstlberger will even ride another race this year. I don't know anything about his status, but he's not scheduled to ride a preparation race nor did he race at besides the Austrian Championships. So certainly no Vuelta for him. Mullen will do what Bennett does, so they come in a package.

And the only reason why it is still likely to happen is because of his nationality. Because if the Hindley/Buchmann case would be reversed for example I am 100% convinced that Hindley would have gone to the vuelta as a pure domestique.

No, I don't think so. It's simply not how Bora operates as a team. They give their riders even as a GC team more freedom to try for their own results and leave by design more room for individual goals. That rule isn't only for Germans like Kämna, Schachmann or Buchmann, also guys like Konrad or van Poppel did get some freedoms to go for their own results in the tour and were not just enrolled to help Vlasov all the time.

If you are doin this and don't want to end like Movistar you also have to have the agreement when it's time to focus on the leaders results and the individual interests have to be postponed. See the reaction to the Vlasov crash e.g. or Keldermann's role as deluxe helper instead of stage hunter in the Giro. So you have to be honest within the team and what's publicly stated is another thing.

The role Buchmann is now in (as communicated) it's exactly the role they publicly announced for Hindley before the Giro. The talked up Kelderman as number one option, Buchmann as second GC captain, as Hindley as the third one. We don't know what happened to Kelderman without the mechanical, but I guess that it was already clear for Bora before Blockhaus that Hindley should be the best. So internally the will know who they can likely back already at the start of the Vuelta. When there's a moment of crisis then it has tobe absolutely clear that also a guy like Buchmann sacrifies his own result for the one of Hindley if the know that Hindley is the stronger one. Let's see. the german thing isn't totally unimportant, but this also isn't the tour so no one cares in Germany either way besides the diehard cycling fans who then don't care that much about having a German compete for the race and watch it anyway.
 
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