It's always bizarre to me how twisted the thinking of the Germans is. There is constant whining about Leipzig, a team that literally sells its best players every year. But they praise the Bayern that dominates the whole of German football, and buy the best players of their rivals for pennies or often even for free. So that other teams don't even have a chance to compete with them on the pitch and financially.
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In Salzburg they took over a traditional club with Austria Salzburg and changed everything. So thats why the core of fans left and re-founded Austria Salzburg. And they hate Red Bull. But ok, quite irrelevant to the cycling sponsorship , I guess.
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I also think its quite hypocritical to make Leipzig the "sellouts" but other top teams have huge deals with Audi, Mercedes, VW, Bayer, ... But well, football fans can be sensitive. And maybe RB overdid it with changing the colors of the club. Badly advised maybe in that sense, on the other side more aligned with corporate identity.
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How would by the "bad cop" Marko guy in cycling?
30% of the 2024 F1 grid made their F1 debut in the Red Bull junior team. If I remember correctly, this percentage was higher in the past. So Marko has done quite a lot of good. Someone like him needs to get involved in cycling....
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I don't feel cycling can be compared to F1. It's a different sport. Technology does play a role in cycling, still it's the athlete that makes the difference. On top of that i am not exactly sure this is a takeover by Red Bull, for now. I see it more as a long term partnership with greater financial stability for the team. Top tier team needs a bit bigger budget and now they have it. As for the decisions made, best to wait and see. And to judge as they are made. Denk for now likely still in full control, when it comes to sport oriented decisions. On Wednesday we should know more.
football or soccer is different for fans though, its got a far more local identity to its followers that generates their passion for the club, and if you start to mess with that, you normally get big kickback from them
so a US style franchise is like you buy into a club, based in say Oakland, but decide that Oakland doesnt generate enough cash for you, so you relocate the whole setup to Las Vegas, and give the team a different name/identity, youre still in the league because you owned the franchise, but the team you bought no longer exists, and the old Oakland fans tend to be pretty miffed about it.
it would be like if Ineos decided Man Utd should really now be Ineos Utd and relocate to London.
In terms of cycling teams, I dont think its a similar thing, fans really dont support teams because of their location, even if most UK fans would support Ineos because its nominally a British team, but it tends to be riders they follow.
51% ownership feels like a takeover that just complies with those Austrian financial rules theyre waiting for approval on, very few sponsors take majority ownership, Ineos excepted of course, of the teams themselves, they just provide the money the teams spend normally. Id imagine Denk stays simply because RB have no experience running a cycling team and tend to appoint people in roles who do, they dont get hung up with appointing "their people", which is why theyre generally quite successful.
Id be totally up for a Red Bull F1 cycling team though. a bike in their F1 livery metallic matt navy would be sweet.
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well, look where he brought his team from the old Net-App years to one of the top WT teams
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Best to wait and see but i feel that the decisions made are sound. That is from financial side of things, equipment and the roster. This is now a first tier GC team.
P.S. If it won't work then competence will indeed be under scrutiny.
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Being a new money club and being from East Germany also doesn't help.
That's actually the most positive aspect of Leipzig, now there's a new big team from East Germany that more people from the East can cheer for because there's a lack of old rivalries. One also has to say that unlike many small East German teams they have very few problems with extreme right winged fans (Lokomotive Leipzig being the worst "offender", if you can blame the team), their fan base is actually more left winged.
They are clearly not the big baddie in the Bundesliga and have never used the concept of buying all your opponents best players to ruin them like Bayern München with their kaputtkaufen.
Imo they are actually a positive addition to the Bundesliga.
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The first one is awesome.Some better possible designs
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I'm well aware of this. But If you really think most of Salzburg is against RB and still supporting Austria Salzburg you are absolutely wrong. Of course there wer some hardcore oldschool fans but the vast majority of football fans from Salzburg are definitely RB fansIn Salzburg they took over a traditional club with Austria Salzburg and changed everything. So thats why the core of fans left and re-founded Austria Salzburg. And they hate Red Bull. But ok, quite irrelevant to the cycling sponsorship , I guess.
But the Oakland A’s are not even close to representative of other teams in US major sports leagues. The Oakland ballpark was a literal sh!thole—the toilets backed up into the clubhouse, players hated it. And for last 5-10 years the ownership sold off every player that developed into a decent hitter or pitcher. Observing that franchise as a Mariners fan (they are in the same division) I’m amazed they stayed there as long as they did.
ed. So you know I’m not exaggerating:
Toilets, Sewage Flood Oakland Athletics O.Co Stadium, Locker Rooms
Next time the Oakland Athletics ownership attempts to get a new stadium they're going to have a pretty good reason in their back pocket. According to ...
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The ability to move a team to a new location is hardly a defining aspect of American sports. It's just one way of dealing with the failure case. In English football, failed teams simply get demoted from the top league, their spot taken up by team in another city. I hardly see a difference there. Meanwhile, in the success case: American teams that actually have fans like the Celtics, 49ers, Yankees are never going to rebrand, just as Man U is not going to rebrand.
And no American sports team (i.e. American team playing an American sport) is named after a commercial interest. That's unique to European sports.
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Well rud bull is funny but I don't know anything about energy drinks so I wouldnt make a monster energy reference . I don't even really have a problem with red bull investing in the cycling, but I dislike what they did in football, football is all about identity and they removed that for a franchise.I think your faking the hate here. If you really disliked them, you would be calling them rud bell or Austrian Monster Energy
(((((((As a freerunner i must say they did some great contents around 2014-16 in that community, maybe they should just stick in extreme sports.
Im not saying it is a defining aspect of American sports, simply thats what people in Europe mean when they belittle a European club as being simply a "US franchise" style operation.
and no Man U arent going to rebrand, and they arent going to rename Old Trafford the Ineos Grenadier arena either.
the closest thing to it is Wimbledon FC, who decided to move to Milton Keynes, from London, and then eventually decided to call themselves MK Dons, they retained Wimbledon FCs position with the league system, the fans went and setup AFC Wimbledon in response.
But I doubt many people are that familiar with it as an example
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Europe should in my opinion try to widen the network of cycling (clubs). To start at tarmac roots and all the way up, to asphalt. So if the addition (some) of money will go in that direction, fine, otherwise we will just fight it and kill it. Like it should be done with F1. And to start over.
Oh, really? Why do so many NBA fans still yearn for the old Seattle SuperSonics now known as Oklahoma City Thunder?
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