Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[FroomeWagon]

It is clear that these rumors are now emerging. However, Lipowitz allegedly has a long-term contract. And this will certainly not change for 2026. The situation with Remco is new. The new sporting management is not yet available to talk to. What's more, Lipo won't be aiming for the sole captaincy right now. He himself didn't even have the goal of finishing on the podium at the Tour this year, and he owes a lot to the team.

If he is dissatisfied with the further development, this could become an issue for 2027.

According to the article below, Lipowitz contract is out in 2025 and that probably helps explain the rumors. Furthermore, if I was his agent, I would be looking to negotiate a salary commiserate to him being the TDF leader next year. In addtion, being German probably gives his agent a lot more leverage.

I have no idea of Lipowitz's personality, but if it is anything like Ayuso or Almedia's, there is zero chance he is going to defer to Remco/Roglic next year.

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...rs-2025-evenepoel-mergers-trades-pro-cycling/

 

[Red Rick]

Lipowitz has become very overrated quickly. Sure he was third on the Tour like Remco last year but I don't think it was very contested this year. All credit to Onley and Vaquelin, but I don't think that they are even top 10 gc-riders at the moment on even playing field. Plus out of form Roglic looked better than him at the end of the Tour.

And Evenepoel beat Almeida, who worked for Pogacar, and Landa, who worked for him.

Amazing competition that.

At no point for example was Evenepoel dragging Vingegaard and Pogacar around on a big MTF

 

[CyclistAbi]

Before season 2026: Nobody is working for anybody.
During the 2026 season: It's a team sport.

 

[peterfin]

According to the article below, Lipowitz contract is out in 2025 and that probably helps explain the rumors. Furthermore, if I was his agent, I would be looking to negotiate a salary commiserate to him being the TDF leader next year. In addtion, being German probably gives his agent a lot more leverage.

I have no idea of Lipowitz's personality, but if it is anything like Ayuso or Almedia's, there is zero chance he is going to defer to Remco/Roglic next year.

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...rs-2025-evenepoel-mergers-trades-pro-cycling/

They can negotiate a lot but there is just zero chance Lipowitz will be the 2026 TdF leader, at least not at the start of the TdF. A protected status or maybe co-leadership role is what may happen but if they go for the latter they might run in to situations where they are both top 5 but not good enough to battle for second.

 

[Red Rick]

If it's up at the end of 2025 and he still hasn't renewed they may also simply be posturing for the big $$.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Wait, so Beppe Conti claiming that Ineos want to make a big Lipoblitz might be true?

 

[Berniece]

Vuelta 2023 would like a word.
Maybe you're right, but I don't see Roglic playing second fiddle to guys who have one GT between them.

Problem in Vuelta of 2023 was that all 3 could win and they were each other’s competition for the first place. That’s not the case in TDF, so the race more easily will show who’s the strongest without having to attack each other

 

[Red Rick]

Wait, so Beppe Conti claiming that Ineos want to make a big Lipoblitz might be true?

If only they got one overpaid former TdF winner off the payroll for next season. Oh wait.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Problem in Vuelta of 2023 was that all 3 could win and they were each other’s competition for the first place. That’s not the case in TDF, so the race more easily will show who’s the strongest without having to attack each other

I don't see Roglic working for Remco. I just don't see it. He left Visma for a reason and the reason was to be the top dog at his own team.

Have we heard from Roglic yet on how he feels about the team signing Remco? Certainly, someone has tried to get his reaction? He did seemed "annoyed" at the Tour this year. I wonder if any of it had to do with rumors of Remco signing?

Maybe the old adeage is in play ... "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

 

[red_flanders]

Wait, so Beppe Conti claiming that Ineos want to make a big Lipoblitz might be true?

<total-speculation> They were going after Evenepoel. Don't know why they wouldn't at least try for Lipo. </total-speculation>

 

[red_flanders]

According to the article below, Lipowitz contract is out in 2025 and that probably helps explain the rumors. Furthermore, if I was his agent, I would be looking to negotiate a salary commiserate to him being the TDF leader next year. In addtion, being German probably gives his agent a lot more leverage.

I have no idea of Lipowitz's personality, but if it is anything like Ayuso or Almedia's, there is zero chance he is going to defer to Remco/Roglic next year.

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...rs-2025-evenepoel-mergers-trades-pro-cycling/

Also according to the article...

Lipowitz is off-contract at the end of this year, but sources say he’s staying at Red Bull.

 

[Berniece]

I don't see Roglic working for Remco. I just don't see it. He left Visma for a reason and the reason was to be the top dog at his own team.

Have we heard from Roglic yet on how he feels about the team signing Remco? Certainly, someone has tried to get his reaction? He did seemed "annoyed" at the Tour this year. I wonder if any of it had to do with rumors of Remco signing?

Maybe the old adeage is in play ... "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

Just decide it on the road. I don’t think Lipowitz and Remco have trouble working for Roglic if he is just better and has a shot at winning. The other way around I don’t know

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't see Roglic working for Remco. I just don't see it. He left Visma for a reason and the reason was to be the top dog at his own team.

Have we heard from Roglic yet on how he feels about the team signing Remco? Certainly, someone has tried to get his reaction? He did seemed "annoyed" at the Tour this year. I wonder if any of it had to do with rumors of Remco signing?

Maybe the old adeage is in play ... "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

Rogla already said it all.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Rogla already said it all.

Can you give me a link? I looked for info but couldn't find any. Maybe it is all in his native language? Thanks.

 

[Red Rick]

Can you give me a link? I looked for info but couldn't find any. Maybe it is all in his native language? Thanks.

It was briefly talked about in an off season interview, but he basically said he doesn't follow the news at all and he doesn't worry about such speculation etc.

So while he talked about it, he didn't say anything about it. True Roglism

 

[CyclistAbi]

Can you give me a link? I looked for info but couldn't find any. Maybe it is all in his native language? Thanks.

Maybe a couple of years from now in a book of memories, before that forget it. Till then:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egMWlD3fLJ8


Lets ride, lets beat them all, they will work for each other.

 

[houtdffan]

is this team even German any longer?

Red Bull is an Austrian company

 

[Oldman]

Maybe a couple of years from now in a book of memories, before that forget it. Till then:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egMWlD3fLJ8


Lets ride, lets beat them all, they will work for each other.

You missed the true song of both that movie and the Roglic, Lipowitz and Remco current status: "Wasn't Born to Follow". Byrds 1968

 

[FroomeWagon]

Also according to the article...

I saw that. I assume the source was RB-Bora, otherwise why would Lipowitz's camp leak that during negotiation? I suppose if Ineos was trying to lure him to their team, Lipowitz's agent might tell Ineos that if the salaries are the same, he is staying at RB-Bora to try and get Ineos to increase their offer?

Like I said earlier, I have no idea what Lipowitz's personality is or what his ambitions are. I do know that if he truly aspires to be a TDF winner at some point, he needs to find the best situation for himself right now. He turns 25 next month and considering there was only one rider over 30 in this years top 10, the clock is ticking. Furthermore, according to Daniel Benson's substack, Remco's contract at RB-Bora is between three and four years. In addition, Remco is estimated to be earning between 6 to 8 M Euros. They are clearly "all-in" on Remco.

Coming off 3rd in the TDF, this may be Lipowitz's best opportunity to get the very best deal he can, including both money and leadership opportunities. Maybe he doesn't deserve to be leader at next years TDF with RB-Bora and will have to look elsewhere if that is truly what he wants.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You missed the true song of both that movie and the Roglic, Lipowitz and Remco current status: "Wasn't Born to Follow". Byrds 1968

Do you reckon they will call themself The Notorious Byrd Brothers?

 

[Links2003]

is this team even German any longer?

Red Bull is an Austrian company

Raubling, the team headquarters in Germany, and RB's headquarters in Austria are only a stone's throw away. Since the German market is larger than the Austrian market, it certainly makes no sense to obtain the license in Austria in the future.

 

[Links2003]

Also according to the article...

I saw that. I assume the source was RB-Bora, otherwise why would Lipowitz's camp leak that during negotiation? I suppose if Ineos was trying to lure him to their team, Lipowitz's agent might tell Ineos that if the salaries are the same, he is staying at RB-Bora to try and get Ineos to increase their offer?

PCS also states that the contract is expiring. Presumably, that is ultimately the source. However, RBH never publishes contract terms. That is also stated in the rider contracts.

After the tour, Denk has said several times that Lipowitz has a long-term contract. That clearly settles the matter.

Furthermore, Lipowitz has not even taken on the role of a leader yet. He does not give the impression that he is demanding this directly. He will wait until at least 2026 to see how everything goes, what the new sporting management wants, etc. And then he will see what races he can win. Then he will perhaps consider leaving RBH early if it does not suit him. But then a team would have to pay a transfer fee. And RBH will certainly not let a German rider who stood on the podium of the Tour leave easily. Denk makes it clear that it is not a German team but thinks internationally. He wants great success. But he also makes it clear: big victories and, in particular, winning the Tour are the goal. But if that could be achieved with a rider he trained himself, and a German rider at that, it would be his absolute dream. Such victories mean more to him than victories by riders he has bought. Lipowitz, as I said, is not even an option, so the team would first have to convince him to let him go.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Will Remco work for Maxim?

 

[red_flanders]

I saw that. I assume the source was RB-Bora, otherwise why would Lipowitz's camp leak that during negotiation? I suppose if Ineos was trying to lure him to their team, Lipowitz's agent might tell Ineos that if the salaries are the same, he is staying at RB-Bora to try and get Ineos to increase their offer?

Like I said earlier, I have no idea what Lipowitz's personality is or what his ambitions are. I do know that if he truly aspires to be a TDF winner at some point, he needs to find the best situation for himself right now. He turns 25 next month and considering there was only one rider over 30 in this years top 10, the clock is ticking. Furthermore, according to Daniel Benson's substack, Remco's contract at RB-Bora is between three and four years. In addition, Remco is estimated to be earning between 6 to 8 M Euros. They are clearly "all-in" on Remco.

Coming off 3rd in the TDF, this may be Lipowitz's best opportunity to get the very best deal he can, including both money and leadership opportunities. Maybe he doesn't deserve to be leader at next years TDF with RB-Bora and will have to look elsewhere if that is truly what he wants.

All reasonable speculation, just thought the authors claim was worth noting.

 

[Berniece]

Will Remco work for Maxim?

If Van Gils has better odds of winning the race.