Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[bah]

Lipowitz is for sure the best GT rider on the team now. Then Roglic, Remco and Pellizzari on roughly the same level. Hindley seems way off these days.

But either way I see a team that will never work in practice. Too many egos and riders that won't do proper dom work for the best rider (Lipo).

If I am Lipowitz I start to look for a new team. Pellizzari should consider it too.

What's "for sure" is that he was the best GT rider this season. The recency bias in this forum, in particular as regards Remco v Lipowitz, is off the charts. Everyone talking like Lipowitz is some young up and coming contender and Remco is a busted flush already (being a whopping 8 months older than Lipowitz).

 

[Gargamel35]

Remco has a big problem in GT racing. He's just not good enough to demand 100% attention, hiring his people and getting everything he wants. For what? He didn't win anything except one Vuelta in 2022! Let that sink in.

Lipowitz is new in GT and got 3rd in TdF right now. Roglič is old, winner of 5 GTs and won the last one in 2024.
He was better then Remco in last GT too with bad preparation (Remco exploded...again).

So going all in for Remco (He already had a 100% support in previous team for GT racing) is based purely on wishful thinking, he can actually bring it and win something. Forget Tour if aliens arrive, but winning Giro or Vuelta..he wasn't even close because he can't stay on his bike and/or explodes anyway.

 

[bah]

Remco has a big problem in GT racing. He's just not good enough to demand 100% attention, hiring his people and getting everything he wants. For what? He didn't win anything except one Vuelta in 2022! Let that sink in.

Lipowitz is new in GT and got 3rd in TdF right now. Roglič is old, winner of 5 GTs and won the last one in 2024.
He was better then Remco in last GT too with bad preparation (Remco exploded...again).

So going all in for Remco (He already had a 100% support in previous team for GT racing) is based purely on wishful thinking, he can actually bring it and win something. Forget Tour if aliens arrive, but winning Giro or Vuelta..he wasn't even close because he can't stay on his bike and/or explodes anyway.

So Remco's 3rd in the TDF means nothing but Lipowitz's does?

 

[Gargamel35]

So Remco's 3rd in the TDF means nothing but Lipowitz's does?

Timing. Lipowitz proved in 2025, he can be 3rd on Tour. Remco was third in 2024 and did much worse this year without real explanation. He can't even finish a GT without exploding. That doesn't give you full access to another team with all your support staff coming over.

 

[TrekCyclist]

Bora RB should decide together with Lipowitz which GT he wants to do in 2026 as leader.
Then there are two GTs left - should be good enough for Evenepoel to pick one. if his target for 2026 will be a GT which is probably not sure as of now.

 

[Berniece]

Remco has a big problem in GT racing. He's just not good enough to demand 100% attention, hiring his people and getting everything he wants. For what? He didn't win anything except one Vuelta in 2022! Let that sink in.

Because people understand context. They understand that he had bad prep which resulted in those results. Even with bad prep he rode better in TDF 2024 than Lipowitz in TDF 2025.

Also taking your mechanic and masseuse isn’t that much of a thing you are making out to be

 

[Links2003]

Because people understand context. They understand that he had bad prep which resulted in those results. Even with bad prep he rode better in TDF 2024 than Lipowitz in TDF 2025.

Also taking your mechanic and masseuse isn’t that much of a thing you are making out to be

I don't understand this heated discussion about who was better when and how. Or whether someone was the "better third" in 2024 than another was in 2025.

One thing is certain: Lipowitz was the best in 2025 in all his races. He has shown that one of his great strengths is consistency, but he is also courageous. Both are good prerequisites for achieving good results in GT.

Is Remco therefore necessarily worse? Or a Roglic. No. Remco is certainly much stronger across the board than Lipowitz. I would like him to concentrate more on that. But of course I understand why he wants to win the GTs. I also believe that he can do it. Because he is such a good rider. However, I think he is much better suited for other races than for a GT. His besr strength is not consistency over 3 weeks.

 

[pastronef]

Because people understand context. They understand that he had bad prep which resulted in those results. Even with bad prep he rode better in TDF 2024 than Lipowitz in TDF 2025.

Also taking your mechanic and masseuse isn’t that much of a thing you are making out to be

if he just took his mechanic and masseuse, why Haussler/Aldag/Gasparotto have to leave?

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's interesting on how nobody really talks about on how RBH will likely improve substantially, going in the 2026 season, on when it comes to classics & Co. On how all the talk is basically about the Tour, on where the gap to UAE and Visma is likely still substantial.

 

[Charlyghoul]

It's interesting on how nobody really talks about on how RBH will likely improve substantially, going in the 2026 season, on when it comes to classics & Co. On how all the talk is basically about the Tour, on where the gap to UAE and Visma is likely still substantial.

They sign Remco for the classics , but tell him it’s for the tour, clever

 

[CyclistAbi]

They sign Remco for the classics , but tell him it’s for the tour, clever

I mean it's rather clever and beneficial for the team and i guess riders too. That is if all goes optimally then in terms of results this should be a super team starting 2026 season, with or without a win at the Tour. And even at the Tour it seems that at minimum a podium position is reserved for RBH.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I feel that Rogla, Lipo and Remco will work for each other and the agreement will be lets do the nut cracking together. Riding solo in such team would make you look rather ridiculous anyway, especially when racing against UAE and Visma. Competition would throw jabs like tactically you are perfect and see ya, that would be infuriating, still deserved.

 

[Lepp89]

There are some rumours about Lipowitz leaving Red Bull Bora at the end of this season. Lidl? Ineos?

 

[CyclistAbi]

There are some rumours about Lipowitz leaving Red Bull Bora at the end of this season. Lidl? Ineos?

Levelling up or leaving? One must be careful when it comes to media. Just read that another journalist in German media was slamming Rogla, apparently for being selfish. Likely a mini melt down due to Remco arrival.

Anyway.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So is Lipo Rogličes Trojan horse, it can't be, that would be some serious 5D chess right there.

 

[Berniece]

if he just took his mechanic and masseuse, why Haussler/Aldag/Gasparotto have to leave?

Because they weren’t happy with their performance? Where was RBH during spring classics?

 

[acm]

Because they weren’t happy with their performance? Where was RBH during spring classics?

I don't buy that. You don't make them DS' for TdF then...

 

[Berniece]

I don't buy that. You don't make them DS' for TdF then...

They must be fired for some reason. Vanthourenhout didn’t get Aldag’s job, so why was he fired? And again, Vanthourenhout was going to be hired anyway. That was already arranged before Evenepoel.

Unfortunately Lodewyck is supposedly also coming. That’s the only DS directly connected to Evenepoel. So 2 out of 3 firings had nothing to do with Evenepoel.

 

[Links2003]

There are some rumours about Lipowitz leaving Red Bull Bora at the end of this season. Lidl? Ineos?

It is clear that these rumors are now emerging. However, Lipowitz allegedly has a long-term contract. And this will certainly not change for 2026. The situation with Remco is new. The new sporting management is not yet available to talk to. What's more, Lipo won't be aiming for the sole captaincy right now. He himself didn't even have the goal of finishing on the podium at the Tour this year, and he owes a lot to the team.

If he is dissatisfied with the further development, this could become an issue for 2027.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I feel that Rogla, Lipo and Remco will work for each other and the agreement will be lets do the nut cracking together.

Vuelta 2023 would like a word.
Maybe you're right, but I don't see Roglic playing second fiddle to guys who have one GT between them.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Vuelta 2023 would like a word.
Maybe you're right, but I don't see Roglic playing second fiddle to guys who have one GT between them.

I mean second fiddle. Rogla was already second at the Tour, for him only a win makes any significant difference, both Lipo and Remco where third already. For Remco to go to RBH and to finish third at the Tour again, that is OK-ish but he will never get any significant praise for that, he did it already at the SOQ, Lipo was third too and hence going back to the Tour in support for somebody else to finish third ... It just doesn't make much sense.

In 2026 season either Lipo or Remco to finish second or higher or Rogla to win. This are the only meaningful scenarios, anything less is basically a flop. Maybe a three, four and five would account for something, purely for entertaining purposes, fandom arguing on who is third, fourth and fifth.

 

[kamaveli]

Lipowitz has become very overrated quickly. Sure he was third on the Tour like Remco last year but I don't think it was very contested this year. All credit to Onley and Vaquelin, but I don't think that they are even top 10 gc-riders at the moment on even playing field. Plus out of form Roglic looked better than him at the end of the Tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Lipowitz has become very overrated quickly. Sure he was third on the Tour like Remco last year but I don't think it was very contested this year. All credit to Onley and Vaquelin, but I don't think that they are even top 10 gc-riders at the moment on even playing field. Plus out of form Roglic looked better than him at the end of the Tour.

I mean overrated. The way it went down is RBH was comfortably third and if Rogla would actually care they likely would be third and fourth. With Remco joining i don't see on how a comfortable third position at the Tour could be jeopardised. The idea now has to be to go higher and i doubt soloing will get them there.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Šeško to Manchester United, Red Bull now secured enough money to tour with Rogla, Lipo and Remco for years.

 

[TrekCyclist]

and he owes a lot to the team

isn't it rather the other way round?