Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Logic-is-your-friend]

his weight talk never really made much sense. After San Sebastian he was quoted “I am at the lightest I’ve been. I was even lighter at Liège but I am 2kg lighter than I was when I turned pro,”

No, that's not what he said. That's what Velonews made of it and everybody copied it. He said he was 2 or 3 kg lighter than the previous time he did San Sebastian. And the lightest he'd been this year, not "ever".

Would it be considered not normal to lose 2 kilos during a Grand Tour?

It would be considered very not normal. Dumoulin even was a few 100gr heavier at the end of the Giro he won compared to the start.

 

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So i don't expect such a large drop in weight.

here's another interview with the dietition:

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“It is true that in last year's Giro he was too focused on weight loss, with the result that his body was still having a hard time processing carbohydrates. However, they are necessary to perform. Now he is also light, but he does have a lot of power in the legs. His weight has remained stable over three weeks and hunger knocks have also been eliminated. It is very satisfying to determine that. It is a sign that the strategy is working.”

 

[Red Rick]

I think the Giro only makes sense if you prefer going into the Giro as a favorite over going into the Tour as an underdog. I think if you're sure of yourself and back yourself to win the Tour against Pog and Vingegaard, you just go to the Tour next year.

As for the route, I think the mountain stages are more important than the amount of TTs.

 

[Valv.Piti]

here's another interview with the dietition:

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“It is true that in last year's Giro he was too focused on weight loss, with the result that his body was still having a hard time processing carbohydrates. However, they are necessary to perform. Now he is also light, but he does have a lot of power in the legs. His weight has remained stable over three weeks and hunger knocks have also been eliminated. It is very satisfying to determine that. It is a sign that the strategy is working.”

I thought it was well established by Logic that his trainer was clueless and that Remco was overweight?

 

[Bonimenier]

Just imagine how succesful Remco would be if Logic was in charge of his diet.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The guy calling others obnoxious, everybody. Give him a round of applause.

 

[Valv.Piti]

The guy calling others obnoxious, everybody. Give him a round of applause.

I don't know, that was the vibe I was getting from reading all your posts on Remco's weight and training, basically acting as you knew better the whole time. Is that incorrect?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't know, that was the vibe I was getting from reading all your posts on Remco's weight and training, basically acting as you knew better the whole time. Is that incorrect?

I can not comment on whichever vibe you got. My posts were based on info made available by him or the team. He said he was 66.5kg during Valencia, he said he was 60 at the Giro. If those numbers were lies (which they might well have been considering most of the numbers they communicate don't add up) then take it up with the team. What i have been very vocal about, is that the explanation of him imploding in the Giro, is that that had a lot more to do with his crash, recovery and prep, than his weight, which was not at all low compared to other GC riders of his size. Yesterday guess what Lefevere said the reason was for his bad Giro? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't his weight.

BTW, his trainer, the one who you seem to believe makes no mistakes, was sure Remco was ready for the Giro last year.

 

[red_flanders]

I (and I assume others) come here to talk about the topic, not watch y'all's pissing contests. Thanks.

You're both great posters when you're not doing this s***.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I (and I assume others) come here to talk about the topic, not watch y'all's pissing contests. Thanks.

You're both great posters when you're not doing this s***.

I already put him on ignore this morning, so there will not be many comments from my end anymore.

 

[jmdirt]

I wonder if the discussion about weight was just to get other racers thinking about it?

 

[Valv.Piti]

And I won't be using time on digging the countless of posts up by Logic where he argues their coaching staff don't know what they are doing, and thats also behind us now anyways. Guy put me on ignore, so you won't be anymore pissing contests, red!

 

[red_flanders]

And I won't be using time on digging the countless of posts up by Logic where he argues their coaching staff don't know what they are doing, and thats also behind us now anyways. Guy put me on ignore, so you won't be anymore pissing contests, red!

I don't want to ignore either one of you!

 

[memyselfandI]

In latest Move podcast Bruyneel opened up a bit thoughts how Tour would be more suitable for Remco than Giro but how he kinda understand that maybe it's still Giro first and Tour maybe next year.

 

[Bonimenier]

In latest Move podcast Bruyneel opened up a bit thoughts how Tour would be more suitable for Remco than Giro but how he kinda understand that maybe it's still Giro first and Tour maybe next year.

So the Giro in 2023 and then the Tour next year in 2023?

 

[memyselfandI]

Or maybe I'll try to catch some good sleep next..

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

I mentioned this earlier that the weight issue comes down to the ability for maximum efficiency.

There are multiple calculations that apply when discussing weight, power, efficiency to weight.

There is the discussion regarding climbing. Each unit (lbs/kg. etc.) less one has is less that is needed to be carried up a climb.

There is stamina needed for a three week tour and while less weight is theoretically better there is a point where losing too much weight makes one more prone to illness and sudden energy loss (bonking).

The ability to process protein, carbhydrates, etc. is also a critical component to power/stamina/endurance as well as stress resistance.

In Remco's case the weight could be determined with a reasonable accuracy if one reverse engineers his performances in La Vuelta.

Ultimately, the weight doens't matter from the standpoint that no one of us make decisions regarding weight.

Remco was in spectacular shape and he seemed to be very close to his maximum efficiency being at the loweest weight that could allow him to be at his strongest.

There is room for improvement but "they" got it right and anything that happens going forward will be slight tinkering to eek out a bit more or to adapt to changes.

Regarding the Tour V. Giro the issue isn't about Remco per se but rather the team weaknesses vis a vis the extremely high level of competition.

We are in uncharted territory in terms of the level of high end talent and team strength.

Pogacar lost the TDF because JV was a far superior team and arguably onje of the best TDF teams ever assembled absent say La Vie Claire or Merckx's teams in late 1960s early 70s.

If Pogacar and JV (Roglic/Vingegaard) weren't in the TDF in a hypothectical scenario Remco would have a strong enough team to win the TDF.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

I wonder if the discussion about weight was just to get other racers thinking about it?

Fake news for the Lanterne Rouge Podcast/Jumbo Visma Performance Unit?

 

[Big Doopie]

I mentioned this earlier that the weight issue comes down to the ability for maximum efficiency.

There are multiple calculations that apply when discussing weight, power, efficiency to weight.

There is the discussion regarding climbing. Each unit (lbs/kg. etc.) less one has is less that is needed to be carried up a climb.

There is stamina needed for a three week tour and while less weight is theoretically better there is a point where losing too much weight makes one more prone to illness and sudden energy loss (bonking).

The ability to process protein, carbhydrates, etc. is also a critical component to power/stamina/endurance as well as stress resistance.

In Remco's case the weight could be determined with a reasonable accuracy if one reverse engineers his performances in La Vuelta.

Ultimately, the weight doens't matter from the standpoint that no one of us make decisions regarding weight.

Remco was in spectacular shape and he seemed to be very close to his maximum efficiency being at the loweest weight that could allow him to be at his strongest.

There is room for improvement but "they" got it right and anything that happens going forward will be slight tinkering to eek out a bit more or to adapt to changes.

Regarding the Tour V. Giro the issue isn't about Remco per se but rather the team weaknesses vis a vis the extremely high level of competition.

We are in uncharted territory in terms of the level of high end talent and team strength.

Pogacar lost the TDF because JV was a far superior team and arguably onje of the best TDF teams ever assembled absent say La Vie Claire or Merckx's teams in late 1960s early 70s.

If Pogacar and JV (Roglic/Vingegaard) weren't in the TDF in a hypothectical scenario Remco would have a strong enough team to win the TDF.

fantastic post.

agree on all points.

giro is indeed about going to a GT where the team in support will not be a detriment. Going up against Pog and Vingo would be hard enough in itself. Waiting another year and making sure the team is no longer a weakness is probably one of the elements at play in Lefevere’s comments. Might as well have a good shot at winning another GT in the meantime. Remco has said that his aim is to win all three. getting two out of the way by age 23 would be amazing.

 

[houtdffan]

'Win all three' – Remco Evenepoel already dreaming of Tour de France and Giro d’Italia after Vuelta triumph

La Vuelta: check. Giro d’Italia and Tour de France: to follow?

www.eurosport.com

Now we’re going to rewatch everything that we did before this Vuelta and then we can take this into the future and use it as preparation for the Giro and Vuelta

Looks like a Giro/Vuelta double next year

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

'Win all three' – Remco Evenepoel already dreaming of Tour de France and Giro d’Italia after Vuelta triumph

La Vuelta: check. Giro d’Italia and Tour de France: to follow?

www.eurosport.com

Now we’re going to rewatch everything that we did before this Vuelta and then we can take this into the future and use it as preparation for the Giro and Vuelta

Looks like a Giro/Vuelta double next year

The video is right above the text, and as always you should listen to what people say instead of rely on a journalist to transcribe it. He says Giro, Tour and next Vuelta. Furthermore just moments before or after, during the podium ceremony, he said during his speech that he can not promise he'll be there next year.

 

[peterfin]

I think his goals will again be a combination of a GT and a few major oneday races. I think it will be the Giro combined with WCC and Lombardy. In the Scotish hills of the 2023 WCC he will probably be one of the clear favorites for the title.

 

[Didinho]

I think his goals will again be a combination of a GT and a few major oneday races. I think it will be the Giro combined with WCC and Lombardy. In the Scotish hills of the 2023 WCC he will probably be one of the clear favorites for the title.

Read somewhere that it will be GC + Monument. But he said Liege and Giro is not done. Isn't that closer to eachother than Sebastian and Vuelta? And he can also win Liege at 90% me thinks. And after the Giro time enough to rest and rebuild for Lombaria and WC

 

[Wvv]

And he can also win Liege at 90% me thinks.

Big Remco fan here, but I disagree. Guys like Pogacar won't let him ride away that easily.

 

[houtdffan]

If he does the double, he should follow Contador's blueprint from 2008

start the season later, maybe as late as Catalyunia and then go to Itzulia