Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Valv.Piti]

Just gotta survive tomorrow, then from Gran Sasso it should get a lot less nervous... well, at least if it stops raining and being shitty weather which I honestly really hope it does, because *** all these crashes.

 

[Wvv]

So:

- hematoma and pain on his right side
- a sore sacrum, close to where he got the Lombardia fractures

I really hope he recovers fast. You don't want these things to influence the big fight we're all hoping for.

 

[peterfin]

He could be in damage control mode the next couple of days, especially within 2 days with that mountain finish. I hope he is back on top of his game by the TT.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So:

- hematoma and pain on his right side
- a sore sacrum, close to where he got the Lombardia fractures

I really hope he recovers fast. You don't want these things to influence the big fight we're all hoping for.

Ah, so he‘s butthurt, explains the gesturing. Jk, I hope he isn’t hurt too badly. Not good for Remco, but it might improve the racing if others see a reason to attack on Friday in that. Maybe he can then get back to it in the second and third week and make this a great Giro. Probably just wishful thinking by me, though.

 

[peterfin]

Ah, so he‘s butthurt, explains the gesturing. Jk, I hope he isn’t hurt too badly. Not good for Remco, but it might improve the racing if others see a reason to attack on Friday in that. Maybe he can then get back to it in the second and third week and make this a great Giro. Probably just wishful thinking by me, though.

An angry Remco is a dangerous Remco.

 

[Riek s]

Lets see how he does on friday. i'm guessing we will know if he can still fight for the win in the Giro or if he needs to go for stage hunting/show he is capable of the fight in 3rd week after recovering.

 

[Berniece]

He was definitely at fault, but so was Kirsch. Evenepoel's fault was that he did not look to the side he wanted to move into. I don't really understand how that happened as it is something that you should do instinctively. If you ride like that in traffic, you're dead within a week.

Have you ever rode yourself? Not professionally perse but as a hobby? I always go to the other side from where I'm looking when looking behind me. Your body does that a bit automatically. That's why a lot of times when riding in a bunch, if someone wants to look behind him, he holds the other person by the shoulder.

He could be in damage control mode the next couple of days, especially within 2 days with that mountain finish. I hope he is back on top of his game by the TT.

Yeah it's complete *** that the mountain finish is the 2nd day after his crash, because that's in most cases the worst day.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Bad news about Remco’s crashes. Good news for him that Roglic also crashed, which somewhat nullified the relative change, although no two crashes or injuries are ever the same and of course there are other riders in the race.

Contador took some nasty falls before winning the 2015 Giro, as did Froome before winning the 2018 Giro. And Roglic always falls!

So hopefully the talk of Remco refocusing on stages or dropping out are misguided. Hopefully he is OK but if he suddenly gets 6th on the ITT I certainly won’t say the crash didn’t impact him.

 

[Venge 82]

Have you ever rode yourself? Not professionally perse but as a hobby? I always go to the other side from where I'm looking when looking behind me. Your body does that a bit automatically. That's why a lot of times when riding in a bunch, if someone wants to look behind him, he holds the other person by the shoulder.

100% correct. Learned it myself the hard way...

 

[houtdffan]

Bad news about Remco’s crashes. Good news for him that Roglic also crashed, which somewhat nullified the relative change, although no two crashes or injuries are ever the same and of course there are other riders in the race.

Contador took some nasty falls before winning the 2015 Giro, as did Froome before winning the 2018 Giro. And Roglic always falls!

So hopefully the talk of Remco refocusing on stages or dropping out are misguided. Hopefully he is OK but if he suddenly gets 6th on the ITT I certainly won’t say the crash didn’t impact him.

Contador won with a broken nose and elbow in 2008 after a few of his crashes

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Have you ever rode yourself? Not professionally perse but as a hobby? I always go to the other side from where I'm looking when looking behind me. Your body does that a bit automatically. That's why a lot of times when riding in a bunch, if someone wants to look behind him, he holds the other person by the shoulder.


Yeah it's complete *** that the mountain finish is the 2nd day after his crash, because that's in most cases the worst day.

Yes, i have ridden as a hobby, but not in pelotons. In groups sometimes, but usually alone or with a friend. I never experienced what you are describing when briefly looking the other way or behind me. When looking behind for longer (say 5+ seconds) yes, i know it gets harder to maintain your course. I don't think that's what happened here though. He looks to the side briefly but seems to be steering out deliberately. In any case he doesn't seem to be looking away long enough to be "adrift".

 

[how yes no?]

From my hobby experience I can confirm the phenomenon of unintentionally steering in the opposite way when looking behind properly, had a few scares too.
Absolutely wish all the best to Remco, please let the great battle still be on.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

From what i have read this evening, an Arkea guy on his left asked him to move over so they could pass. This is why he looked left and moved to the right. Not because he was drifting.

 

[Netserk]

What about Bahrain riders? Or are they included in the dog category?

Bahraini are even below the Irish.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I read that a rider coming from behind yelled his name. He likely looked back and started to move out of the way. The injuries are not that innocent.

 

[Sciatic]

Riders are yelling all the time as the intensity builds toward the line, so I would not think it would be unusual and require him to turn his head.
As to the look one way, drift to the other, that is true. But even as a recreational cyclist I’ve made a habit of self-correcting for that , so I would assume the pros would be so well accustomed to that it wouldn’t cause problems.
Just so unfortunate it had to happen, and from what the team MD said, that 2nd crash did more damage.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Riders are yelling all the time as the intensity builds toward the line, so I would not think it would be unusual and require him to turn his head.
As to the look one way, drift to the other, that is true. But even as a recreational cyclist I’ve made a habit of self-correcting for that , so I would assume the pros would be so well accustomed to that it wouldn’t cause problems.
Just so unfortunate it had to happen, and from what the team MD said, that 2nd crash did more damage.

Well, if it doesn't work out, he can still go to the TDF right
At least it's a good thing that the crash that caused him the injuries was the one where he screwed up himself. Just like the one in the Vuelta.

I read Kirsch went to apologise at the team bus. Let's hope Evenepoel can admit his own fault as well.

 

[Venge 82]

I read Kirsch went to apologise at the team bus. Let's hope Evenepoel can admit his own fault as well.

Hope the same. Remco is being criticized (on Twitter) for always blaming the others.
There is some truth to it. Let's hope he was mostly disappointed (understandable) and makes (before the start of the stage) an honest and sober analysis of his 2nd fall.
It would do Remco credit though it will not remove the pain.

I also read an article by the doctor of the Belgian Federation. Was not very encouraging.
- 6-7 days recovery (so time trial comes too soon)
- Impact on muscles, hormones (cortisol), mentally, sleep...

 

[Jan the Man]

stating the obvious Friday will be a huge test. Second day after the crash is often the hardest and he won’t be anywhere near recovered by the TT. That said if he gets through relatively unscathed until the rest day the odds improve.

 

[Riek s]

Hope the same. Remco is being criticized (on Twitter) for always blaming the others.
There is some truth to it. Let's hope he was mostly disappointed (understandable) and makes (before the start of the stage) an honest and sober analysis of his 2nd fall.
It would do Remco credit though it will not remove the pain.

I also read an article by the doctor of the Belgian Federation. Was not very encouraging.
- 6-7 days recovery (so time trial comes too soon)
- Impact on muscles, hormones (cortisol), mentally, sleep...

I don't think it matters a lot. Crashes happen, he didn't went out in public and accused Kirsh or blaming him. And those who already have a bad opinion on him won't change it.


Yeah, atm everything points to recovery after the rest day. But lets hope its earlier for him... Ohterwise his Giro ambition is down the drain, and that is not what we want!

 

[Wvv]

"Remco has apologized to Alex and Mads. After he had seen the images from above", Trek-Segafredo team leader Steven de Jongh said before the start today. "The crash was very unfortunate of course, for both parties. It is understandable that he was very disappointed and frustrated at the time, I get that." Thus Evenepoel saw that he was also at fault and went to apologize yesterday, so that both parties can now put this behind them.

Little piece on Het Nieuwsblad.be.

So for all the haters, the kid is growing up, is learning, and has an impulsive but surely genuine character. And everyone is allowed to feel anger, frustration and disappointment when you crash on a horrible day. I'm glad he responded like this in the end, let's all move on and hope for the best in this race.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

He's a good kid. He wears his heart on his sleeve, and sometimes does and says things he probably shouldn't, but who doesn't at 23 years old? Furthermore, the few times I've crashed, I was certainly emotional enough to not behave in a calm, rational manner.

 

[Lequack]

It's good to have a racer who shows some emotion, good or bad. This reminds me of the time when Superman Lopez started to slap a spectator for making him crash. Good times.

 

[peterfin]

There is a huge difference between being angry and aggressive. Remco was trained to voice his anger and frustration while playing soccer. It's part of that game to inform (and of course also influence) a referee who cannot always see the fault clearly, especially if you are the captain of the team. When he is full of adrenaline and focused on reaching his goal in a race, it's normal that he switches to his 'anger mode' when he feels that he, a teammate or even the peleton in general is impacted by a fault of somebody else.

I think he already improved a lot and is not afraid of admitting he is wrong when this is the case. Nevertheless, it will always be a part of his personality. He is a leader and he will feel the responsibility and need to voice his opinion clearly.

 

[Netserk]

There is a huge difference between being angry and aggressive. Remco was trained to voice his anger and frustration while playing soccer. It's part of that game to inform (and of course also influence) a referee who cannot always see the fault clearly, especially if you are the captain of the team. When he is full of adrenaline and focused on reaching his goal in a race, it's normal that he switches to his 'anger mode' when he feels that he, a teammate or even the peleton in general is impacted by a fault of somebody else.

I think he already improved a lot and is not afraid of admitting he is wrong when this is the case. Nevertheless, it will always be a part of his personality. He is a leader and he will feel the responsibility and need to voice his opinion clearly.

If he keeps it up, many in the peloton will hope that Bambi will take his ball and go home.