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Peter von

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magliaroz said:
Going with a weak team will also put less preassure on him to get a great result ( I know, I know... Wishful thinking).

Lefevere put himself in a corner, saying they were sending Remco to the Tour next year to have time to build a better team, for two years in a row. Next year they MUST send Remco to the Tour, strong team or not.
It was already bad enough that he skipped 2022/23. TdF is the most important race in the world, Sponsors can't be too happy about Remco skipping it.
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Yeah. It’s a bit weird, the guy won the Vuelta. If you can win the Vuelta you are ready for the Tour.

And so what if you don’t have two Sepp Kuss and a Majka with him?

Jumbo and UAE were always going to do most of the work anyway.
Maybe Remco would have just been the strongest rider and take the yellow Jersey, and sure then it would be nice to have a stronger team to drill the pace. But in that case Jumbo and UAE would still try to tire him out.

QS still have the riders to keep Remco company for most of the hard stages, but lacks the team to really make the selection.

Maybe they were mad at the low number of flat itt Km?

Remco would still be a big favorite for the podium at the very least if you accept a premise where he needs more flat tt to beat Pogi and Vinge.
 
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It(s more than just the team mates.

Its that the world believes Vingegaard is so dominant because of nutrition and professionalism advantage over the other team that has such an advantage over the other teams. So its also about the people surrounding the team regarding all the other facets of the training/preparation etc. Who in SQS is going to remove the paint from Remco's bike? give him a diarreah diet? etc etc
 
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You are overrating the importance of good domestiques in the tour. The most important thing would be able to follow pogacar's and vingegaard's wheels.
 
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Andy schleck said:
You are overrating the importance of good domestiques in the tour. The most important thing would be able to follow pogacar's and vingegaard's wheels.
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Remco does not ride his best following wheels.

He needs to be able to set the pace himself, like he did at the Vuelta
 
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Sure it’s always nice to have the strongest team and be able to dictate the harder pace of you have the legs for it.

but at the same time the more times he races the Tour; the more Tours he has a shot at winning.

Riek s said:
It(s more than just the team mates.

Its that the world believes Vingegaard is so dominant because of nutrition and professionalism advantage over the other team that has such an advantage over the other teams. So its also about the people surrounding the team regarding all the other facets of the training/preparation etc. Who in SQS is going to remove the paint from Remco's bike? give him a diarreah diet? etc etc
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But even if we accept that Jumbo has just found the best guys and they can’t be poached. Remco is still riding for second overall and getting experience riding a Tour centered season and picking up podium spots as well.
Instead of waiting for SQS’s backroom staff to catch up and only then entering the Tour and starting to get used to that schedule.

Imagine if Pogi avoided the Tour in 2020 because his guys figured Rogi was stronger anyway.
 
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Andy schleck said:
It's more difficult to win, when van der poel, pogacar, pedersen, van aert are in the race and in top shape.
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As if Wva and vdp would win classica... It's a different race and not comparable at all. It's as if all one day races are the same... There is a reason why I never put Remco as a fav for this wc but gave it to what has become the podium. This is an interval race, even more than Rvv. Remco did what he could on a parcour that wasn't his.
 
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Got it handed to him, for sure. Beat fair and square by great great champions.

He had the advantage of the Vuelta in his legs last year. As most (if not all) the top riders had the benefit of the TDF this year.

Nice to see him come back and try and wear out opponents when he knew he couldn’t compete.

Hope he can rebound for a medal in the ITT, but I do not expect him to really challenge at the Vuelta now.

VDP an awesome deserving champ of a terrific race.

And kudos to Pog who had to make so many efforts chasing as the only rider from his team from miles out.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
You can be a great rider and still have bad days and have courses where other riders are better suited to. I think he’s not good enough technical on such a tricky course. That is of course a part of the sport.
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Yeah, he was already losing the race the very second they got onto the city circuit. Everyone knew the entire day was about positioning, positioning, positioning, yet he didn't or couldn't.

When you are in bad position, you are at least a good 30 seconds away from the head of the peloton. I think he had good legs today, but ultimately the fatigue of constantly having to close gaps became too much, and he only has himself to blame for this.
 
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Yeah, he was already losing the race the very second they got onto the city circuit. Everyone knew the entire day was about positioning, positioning, positioning, yet he didn't or couldn't.

When you are in bad position, you are at least a good 30 seconds away from the head of the peloton. I think he had good legs today, but ultimately the fatigue of constantly having to close gaps became too much, and he only has himself to blame for this.
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As he himself stated, he had most trouble through the parc and had a hard time doing repeated high 800W plus efforts. Just blew up, just like many others. His only chance here was to get away to avoid those hard accelerations but it wasn't meant to be. Better luck with the parcour next time. (his performance on this parcour was within expectations. I did expect him to blow a little later, but the race was ridden incredible hard the moment they hit the circuit. Think the first 2 rounds killed his legs)

Up towards the ITT for him.
 
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Andy schleck said:
You are overrating the importance of good domestiques in the tour. The most important thing would be able to follow pogacar's and vingegaard's wheels.
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The good domestiques help make the choice over which wheel to follow, since you can't cover every attack without becoming your opponents' domestique. Podium for Remco would be a good ambition and an opportunity to shake down a team lineup. We'll see what the Vuelta brings first?
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
You can be a great rider and still have bad days and have courses where other riders are better suited to. I think he’s not good enough technical on such a tricky course. That is of course a part of the sport.
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And no shock that the two best CX riders in the field finished 1st and 2nd. Pogacar actually is looking like his old self but the distance certainly showed who came in with the freshest approach. MvP putting that much time into everyone at the end was an epic demonstration. No one else was in his area code.
 
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Riek s said:
As he himself stated, he had most trouble through the parc and had a hard time doing repeated high 800W plus efforts. Just blew up, just like many others. His only chance here was to get away to avoid those hard accelerations but it wasn't meant to be. Better luck with the parcour next time. (his performance on this parcour was within expectations. I did expect him to blow a little later, but the race was ridden incredible hard the moment they hit the circuit. Think the first 2 rounds killed his legs)

Up towards the ITT for him.
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Pretty much exactly what I was thinking as I was watching. I thought it was fairly obvious that he didn't have it on this course and he knew it fairly early in the circuits so he did what he thought was best for the team once the field pared down a bit which was to go on the attack a few times, hopefully forcing the big guns to have to work to pull him back and who knows, maybe, just maybe he could get enough of a gap that he could ride his tempo and the turns and accelerations wouldn't matter as much.
 
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