Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Tonton]

and he did it at the same age where Merckx could only finish 9th at the giro with 2 stage wins

It's an incomplete picture that you depict here: in '67, Merckx had 17 wins including MSR (his second), GW, FW, and the WRRC. In that Giro, he had two wins, and yes he finished 9th...but he was in the top-10 in every stage, which is quite impressive. In fact, Merckx was in the top-10 of all but three race days that year. He was going for the win everyday.

 

[Tonton]

Regardless, Remco has a challenge ahead of him, he's perfectly capable of winning the bike race. If someone can beat Pogacar, it's Remco. A win would add to the legend, and a close loss is no drama: what matters is Il Giro. Still, both riders know that it's a face-off and that only one letter matters in cycling: the W.

 

[vwpe]

remco fans is something else the guy isnt even a good climber win some second tier competition vs roglic and co before you even talk about him entering the big leagues and heavy hitters ( tour de france) remco is far from it hes so far away from staying with these guys in the high mountains you guys have no clue how far away he really is from that, i know for a fact.

lets see if he can beat roglic which is second tier jumbo captain but just watch he wont even do that, your all in for a excuse in the high mountains several key factors in inner circle in cycling this is well knowned. Gl

 

[houtdffan]

It's an incomplete picture that you depict here: in '67, Merckx had 17 wins including MSR (his second), GW, FW, and the WRRC. In that Giro, he had two wins, and yes he finished 9th...but he was in the top-10 in every stage, which is quite impressive. In fact, Merckx was in the top-10 of all but three race days that year. He was going for the win everyday.

Merckx was very impressive outside of the giro. The point was, Remco was also impressive outside of the GTs, yet he also managed to win his GT

 

[houtdffan]

remco fans is something else the guy isnt even a good climber win some second tier competition vs roglic and co before you even talk about him entering the big leagues and heavy hitters ( tour de france) remco is far from it hes so far away from staying with these guys in the high mountains you guys have no clue how far away he really is from that, i know for a fact.

lets see if he can beat roglic which is second tier jumbo captain but just watch he wont even do that, your all in for a excuse in the high mountains several key factors in inner circle in cycling this is well knowned. Gl

stop trolling

 

[Panda Claws]

remco fans is something else the guy isnt even a good climber win some second tier competition vs roglic and co before you even talk about him entering the big leagues and heavy hitters ( tour de france) remco is far from it hes so far away from staying with these guys in the high mountains you guys have no clue how far away he really is from that, i know for a fact.

lets see if he can beat roglic which is second tier jumbo captain but just watch he wont even do that, your all in for a excuse in the high mountains several key factors in inner circle in cycling this is well knowned. Gl

What??? Second rate climber?? You are talking about a threepeat Vuelta winner there!

 

[red_flanders]

What??? Second rate climber?? You are talking about a threepeat Vuelta winner there!

But...they "know for a fact" and "is well knowned". Can't really argue with that!

 

[CyclistAbi]

@vwpe

If you are mentioned in the same sentence with Roglič you are first tier.

 

[Oldermanish]

Why would Evenepoel be more inclined to work with Pogacar than the other way around? Pogacar is the new Merckx. Pogacar is the better sprinter. Why on earth should Evenepoel be the one to do the work, lol. If Pogacar fancies his chances better in a group sprint with 20 other guys, he is free not to work of course. If i'm Evenepoel, i would work enough to distance the competition, and then take a page out the book Roglic wrote. Sit in the wheel and only get to the front to attack. If unsuccessful, get back into the wheel again.

I didn't mean to suggest Pogi should sit on; quite the contrary. He should exploit Remco's apparent willingness to collaborate and, if he feels he's saving himself; back off as long as the pack has been thinned down sufficiently. LOL, indeed Sir Logic.

 

[Tonton]

Merckx was very impressive outside of the giro. The point was, Remco was also impressive outside of the GTs, yet he also managed to win his GT

Fair enough.

And thanks for pointing out that '67 Giro. Gimondi won, it was Anquetil's last GT and he finished 3rd; '66 Tour winner Aimar (yes we French have our own Aimar in the top-10) finished 7th. It was an 8/10 Giro as I always put it.

Merckx was still considered as a one-day type of rider early in '67, he was"The New R(ik)VS". there were no GC expectations for him at this Giro. And Merckx decided to be Merckx and go at it every day. The rest is History...that Giro was a turning point in Merckx's career. Had he played his cards well, who knows? Eddy came back and won the '68 Giro. His first GT.

For me and Remco, it's all about Il Giro. But he's gonna want to win this one. He picked it.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Remco is the true people's champ, ala Rocky Balboa.
He is mankind's last hope against current super-mutants Pogi, Vingo and Rogla.

Anyone who really loves cycling should make it their duty to back Remco this Sunday, otherwise we will enter a very dark age in professional racing.

One can dream... I'm slightly drunk, sorry !

Lol what? Maybe we need a poll about who is the most mutanty mutant but Remco’s up there

Only slightly drunk? I'm full blown, but I think Remco shall surprise us yet again.

remco fans is something else the guy isnt even a good climber win some second tier competition vs roglic and co before you even talk about him entering the big leagues and heavy hitters ( tour de france) remco is far from it hes so far away from staying with these guys in the high mountains you guys have no clue how far away he really is from that, i know for a fact.

lets see if he can beat roglic which is second tier jumbo captain but just watch he wont even do that, your all in for a excuse in the high mountains several key factors in inner circle in cycling this is well knowned. Gl

I see we’re drinking tonight guess I’ll join

 

[Nick2413]

Lol what? Maybe we need a poll about who is the most mutanty mutant but Remco’s up there


I see we’re drinking tonight guess I’ll join

I think that one poster is on some stuff that can only be discussed in the other forum.

 

[ppanther92]

Should we rename the thread to Evenepoel is the next Pogacar since the later is already the new Merckx?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Should we rename the thread to Evenepoel is the next Pogacar since the later is already the new Merckx?

There is a poll option.

 

[Oldermanish]

But...they "know for a fact" and "is well knowned". Can't really argue with that!

We can "know for a fact" that we can't understand what to argue because we're "second tier" ....what....drinkers? My current headache could back that up.

 

[Unchained]

We can "know for a fact" that we can't understand what to argue because we're "second tier" ....what....drinkers? My current headache could back that up.

Are you mixing old Cytomax w vodka? Be careful!! Gatorade is the preferred mixer of professionals..

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

I thought I'd look at what the bookmakers are saying about Sunday and seemingly LBL is not a very in demand market. In fact the one site I could find odds on hasn't even bothered to rank the field and all you can bet on is a Pog (2/5) vs Remco (7/4) match-up.

 

[peterfin]

According to Napoleonsports Remco has more chance to win the giro (2.2) than to win LBL (2.55).

 

[houtdffan]

I thought I'd look at what the bookmakers are saying about Sunday and seemingly LBL is not a very in demand market. In fact the one site I could find odds on hasn't even bothered to rank the field and all you can bet on is a Pog (2/5) vs Remco (7/4) match-up.

that is simply donkeys being donkeys

People blindly putting all the money on Pog, driving down his odds.

There is no point putting anything on Pog. The payout is next to nothing

 

[how yes no?]

I actually believe he has bigger chances of winning LBL than Giro, both being very possible, but I wouldn't go as far as to call them likely (that does not mean that they are not likely, if you can compute that). I believe a top form Roglič is harder competition than likely declining form Pogačar.
People like to forget Primož did not race a GT with proper preparation since forever. And that also very much applies to the last years vuelta.
But with the bigger historic perspective seemingly always present in the Remco talks, I wondered, would anything change in how he's viewed if he actually loses both races? It will certainly continue to confirm his development into historic greatness if he wins them both, but what about the other way around? Will it also possibly influence his plans for the future? I'd imagine, if he'd win the giro, he would be likely to go for the tour in 2024, but if he loses the giro, he'd maybe want to have another go? What about his Flanders (and other sprint classics focus) plan?

 

[Nick2413]

I thought I'd look at what the bookmakers are saying about Sunday and seemingly LBL is not a very in demand market. In fact the one site I could find odds on hasn't even bothered to rank the field and all you can bet on is a Pog (2/5) vs Remco (7/4) match-up.

I check for most big races purely for fun and LBL is always the last to get the odds up and yes only the 2 riders so far. No idea why it’s different than the other races.

 

[Sandisfan]

Should we rename the thread to Evenepoel is the next Pogacar since the later is already the new Merckx?

I mentioned a different thread tittle months Ago which would be a good one. That is "The Remco Evenepoel Experience" It's Kinda neutral not insulting not Hyping. It would pertain to the goings on in this thread.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'd imagine, if he'd win the giro, he would be likely to go for the tour in 2024, but if he loses the giro, he'd maybe want to have another go?

No way.

I mentioned a different thread tittle months Ago which would be a good one. That is "The Remco Evenepoel Experience" It's Kinda neutral not insulting not Hyping. It would pertain to the goings on in this thread.

Not before they change Keldermerckx' (and presumably other) thread title(s)! I also wouldn't know why. It's not like he hasn't delivered on the promise. He's won more big races than Merckx did at that age, and he's lost 1.5 seasons due to a horror crash. Just because there currently is another freak who is winning even more, doesn't mean Evenepoel is underdelivering.

That said, i do like your alternative, because this thread has been a ride and because it makes me think about Jimi Hendrix and Prince.

 

[Berniece]

People like to forget Primož did not race a GT with proper preparation since forever. And that also very much applies to the last years vuelta.

Indeed, Roglic with proper preparation and no issues during the GT is easily top 3 in the world. Vuelta was a nice test for Remco to see if he could keep his form for 3 weeks, as well as long, steep and high altitude climbs. This just means he can win a GT. He still has to proof that he can win it against the best of the world, which is much more difficult.

 

[frisenfruitig]

Indeed, Roglic with proper preparation and no issues during the GT is easily top 3 in the world. Vuelta was a nice test for Remco to see if he could keep his form for 3 weeks, as well as long, steep and high altitude climbs. This just means he can win a GT. He still has to proof that he can win it against the best of the world, which is much more difficult.

Personally I don't believe Jumbo would have started Roglic at that Vuelta if they didn't think he was good enough to win it. The idea that he could win a GT while not even close to peak form seems ridiculous to me. I can believe he will be slightly better for the Giro but I don't think it will be a big difference tbh.