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staubsauger

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Berniece said:
Indeed, Roglic with proper preparation and no issues during the GT is easily top 3 in the world. Vuelta was a nice test for Remco to see if he could keep his form for 3 weeks, as well as long, steep and high altitude climbs. This just means he can win a GT. He still has to proof that he can win it against the best of the world, which is much more difficult.
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IMHO that Vuelta a Espana means nothing. All crucial stages were at the beginning of the race, when Evenepoel hit them fresh as daisy in absolute peak shape while after Sierra Nevada (which was a pretty tame major mountain stage as well) the big mountain stages were gone.

The 2023 Giro d'Italia especially the 3 Merlons & Lussari combo shows if Evenepoel is able to perform in the 3rd week of a grand tour after 2 weeks of load before and hence whether he can challenge Pogacar & Vingegaard in future or likely would get slaughtered by them.

He has blown up before at the Giro d'Italia. But his display at the Vuelta a Espana looked super strong.

We'll see if he can perform the same at a back loaded Giro d'Italia. Then, we have our answer.

Personally I think yes he can. But I might be wrong about him again and he blows up in the Dolomites!
 
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staubsauger said:
He has blown up before at the Giro d'Italia.
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It is suprising, given the rest of your post is well conceived, that you bring up the above issue, which will have no bearing on this Giro. In 2021 he was underprepared and back from ingury in what was his first GT that he never should have started. And even if he struggles at some point in this coming Giro, his performance in the 2021 event will have had nothing to do with it.

The next Giro is going to be harder than the Vuelta, but he is two years more developed, with last season's successful Vuelta in his legs. There is thus reason to be optimisitic. If he doesn't have problems reacclimating from altitude camp at Liege, which is the largest unknown for Sunday, he should give us some indication of the Remco that will start the Giro on May 5.
 
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staubsauger said:
IMHO that Vuelta a Espana means nothing. All crucial stages were at the beginning of the race, when Evenepoel hit them fresh as daisy in absolute peak shape while after Sierra Nevada (which was a pretty tame major mountain stage as well) the big mountain stages were gone.

The 2023 Giro d'Italia especially the 3 Merlons & Lussari combo shows if Evenepoel is able to perform in the 3rd week of a grand tour after 2 weeks of load before and hence whether he can challenge Pogacar & Vingegaard in future or likely would get slaughtered by them.

He has blown up before at the Giro d'Italia. But his display at the Vuelta a Espana looked super strong.

We'll see if he can perform the same at a back loaded Giro d'Italia. Then, we have our answer.

Personally I think yes he can. But I might be wrong about him again and he blows up in the Dolomites!
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Can't the same be said of Roglic? he should have won the tour from Pogacar, but he blew up in the final TT. His vuelta wins were just that, vuelta wins i assume. So maybe they both blow up on the final TT in the giro :)
 
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staubsauger said:
IMHO that Vuelta a Espana means nothing. All crucial stages were at the beginning of the race, when Evenepoel hit them fresh as daisy in absolute peak shape while after Sierra Nevada (which was a pretty tame major mountain stage as well) the big mountain stages were gone.

The 2023 Giro d'Italia especially the 3 Merlons & Lussari combo shows if Evenepoel is able to perform in the 3rd week of a grand tour after 2 weeks of load before and hence whether he can challenge Pogacar & Vingegaard in future or likely would get slaughtered by them.

He has blown up before at the Giro d'Italia. But his display at the Vuelta a Espana looked super strong.

We'll see if he can perform the same at a back loaded Giro d'Italia. Then, we have our answer.

Personally I think yes he can. But I might be wrong about him again and he blows up in the Dolomites!
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IIRC last year you predicted Evenepoel wouldn't stand a chance in the Vuelta and you called him a classics rider who had proved nothing (in GC). So it is a bit strange that now this Vuelta doesn't mean anything.

And who exactly did Roglic beat in his 3 Vuelta wins? A not in top form Bernal, grandpa Valverde, a freak teenager, Carthy, Mas... Seems quite similar, doesn't it. He even won one on boniseconds. So where does Roglic stand? The truth of the matter is, if Evenepoel would not have been at that Vuelta, Roglic would have won it again. He probably wouldn't have crashed because he wouldn't have needed to do that attack to begin with. I bet nobody would have said anything about that Vuelta not meaning anything. Or that he was not in top shape.
 
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frisenfruitig said:
Personally I don't believe Jumbo would have started Roglic at that Vuelta if they didn't think he was good enough to win it. The idea that he could win a GT while not even close to peak form seems ridiculous to me. I can believe he will be slightly better for the Giro but I don't think it will be a big difference tbh.
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Contador won 2008 Giro despite being far from his peak shape.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
IIRC last year you predicted Evenepoel wouldn't stand a chance in the Vuelta and you called him a classics rider who had proved nothing (in GC). So it is a bit strange that now this Vuelta doesn't mean anything.

And who exactly did Roglic beat in his 3 Vuelta wins? A not in top form Bernal, grandpa Valverde, a freak teenager, Carthy, Mas... Seems quite similar, doesn't it. He even won one on boniseconds. So where does Roglic stand? The truth of the matter is, if Evenepoel would not have been at that Vuelta, Roglic would have won it again. He probably wouldn't have crashed because he wouldn't have needed to do that attack to begin with. I bet nobody would have said anything about that Vuelta not meaning anything. Or that he was not in top shape.
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I also said though, that I believe he has that Di Luca 2005 moment in him. I only didn't see it happening already last Vuelta. Which was obviously a fault, something I immediately admitted.

Still it was a grand tour setup that heavily favored him. So the real test is now, if he can put theory into practice ad well in a typically back loaded Giro d'Italia. Something that is said to be his achilles verse. So we're gonna find out whether that's nothing but an urban legend or the truth.

Regarding Roglic. The biggest problem he might cost Evenepoel could actually be that if someone like Tao goes long-range on Giau towards the Three Merlons, then Roglic might play his shenanigans again to only let Evenepoel pull alone to weaken him. At least if Evenepoel is in the pink jersey. Y'all underestimate the potential of an epic tactical blunder which that Dolomites stage offers.
 
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I also said though, that I believe he has that Di Luca 2005 moment in him. I only didn't see it happening already last Vuelta. Which was obviously a fault, something I immediately admitted.

Still it was a grand tour setup that heavily favored him. So the real test is now, if he can put theory into practice ad well in a typically back loaded Giro d'Italia. Something that is said to be his achilles verse. So we're gonna find out whether that's nothing but an urban legend or the truth.

Regarding Roglic. The biggest problem he might cost Evenepoel could actually be that if someone like Tao goes long-range on Giau towards the Three Merlons, then Roglic might play his shenanigans again to only let Evenepoel pull alone to weaken him. At least if Evenepoel is in the pink jersey. Y'all underestimate the potential of an epic tactical blunder which that Dolomites stage offers.
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Maybe Roglic and Jumbo want to relive the 2019 Giro which worked out so well for them. It's possible they have fond memories of Carapaz winning.
Also i'm not sure Tao has the chops to go long range if he can't hang in the wheel of someone like Dennis. And if someone like Dennis is still there, then i think Evenepoel will also still have someone there as well. But sure, i understand what you mean.

The issue with your arguments though, is that you seem to find the 2021 Giro fiasco to be more relevant than the 2022 Vuelta win. You are searching for context to downplay the Vuelta, yet you (like you did last year) again ignore the context for the 2021 Giro.
 
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Remco and Soudal have prepared the Giro, in theory, wisely. He started the season under-tone, to then build up to the Giro, which is not the same spring with the Tour in mind, because it comes much sooner. He won UAE tour, even if not the best climber, helped by a TTT, but he still hadn't done an altitude camp. Catalunya could have gone either way, but was thwarted marginally by Roglic and Jumbo that didn't miss a beat. Now Liege beckons and should give another indication, if coming from altitude doesn't factor. The great unknown in the Giro is the terrible third week (as for Roglic). However, the early TTs could condition everything if Evenepoel gains an advantage, which isn't certain.
 
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remco fans is something else the guy isnt even a good climber win some second tier competition vs roglic and co before you even talk about him entering the big leagues and heavy hitters ( tour de france) remco is far from it hes so far away from staying with these guys in the high mountains you guys have no clue how far away he really is from that, i know for a fact.

lets see if he can beat roglic which is second tier jumbo captain but just watch he wont even do that, your all in for a excuse in the high mountains several key factors in inner circle in cycling this is well knowned. Gl
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..you know nothing...you want him to beat Roglic again? ok...watch the race
 
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