Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Theres a lot of work for Remco to be done, but probably not that much when it comes to TT and that’s probably not what he should spend a lot on time about.

When looking at Bigham at Ineos and also the general TT level of Bora this year I do wonder if Bigham perhaps is one of those sport scientists that goes crazy in the deep on some small stuff while he doesn’t quite get the big stuff right. But that’s purely speculation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Remcos TT level slightly drops (at the beginning) in the new team, even if it’s still Specialized.

 

[Extinction]

Theres a lot of work for Remco to be done, but probably not that much when it comes to TT and that’s probably not what he should spend a lot on time about.

When looking at Bigham at Ineos and also the general TT level of Bora this year I do wonder if Bigham perhaps is one of those sport scientists that goes crazy in the deep on some small stuff while he doesn’t quite get the big stuff right. But that’s purely speculation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Remcos TT level slightly drops (at the beginning) in the new team, even if it’s still Specialized.

Well, it seems fairly obvious, Bora needs to transform him into a climbing world beater. Anything else would be a poor investment. Like what Sky did to Froome, which I'm using only as the paradigmatic example, not clinical stuff. I'm not saying this can be done, only that it must to really get that good return on the investment.

 

[Karl Merckx]

Bruyneel has acknowledged he was talking out the side of his neck when he said Evenepoel was thinking about doing the WHR soon. Somebody must have reached out to him and told him he was full of crap. Those WEDU / The Move podcasts are really tough to listen to. One dumb take after another. Now Seixas is one of the 6 best riders in the world. Insufferable hogwash.

Bruyneel has no inside info. He acts like it just to get his brand up.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Article about the performance team of RBH on working with Evenepoel. They start in the offseason and hope Evenepoel understands there’s still a lot of work to be done.

'I think we'll improve him' - Red Bull-Bora-hansgrohe plot performance gains for incoming Remco Evenepoel

Dan Bigham hopes to make Belgian time trial star 'even more outrageous than he already is'

www.cyclingweekly.com

Bigham is a TT guy though. It's not the TT remco needs to improve.
Still it's good they are looking forward to working with remco and trying to improve him.
So long as they don't sink the ship trying stuff out.

 

[Berniece]

Bigham is a TT guy though. It's not the TT remco needs to improve.
Still it's good they are looking forward to working with remco and trying to improve him.
So long as they don't sink the ship trying stuff out.

The article doesn’t only quote Bigham, and he’s just saying there is always room for improvement, which is true. You don’t want to keep doing the same for 3 years and suddenly lose time trials.

 

[KoopaCycling]

The article doesn’t only quote Bigham, and he’s just saying there is always room for improvement, which is true. You don’t want to keep doing the same for 3 years and suddenly lose time trials.

Like I said, it's good they are looking to improve remco. Hopefully it's a fruitful union.
You just always need to be careful.

 

[KoopaCycling]

In any case how to send a petition to Remco to try and make him ride Chrono des Nations as well.

 

[Berniece]

In any case how to send a petition to Remco to try and make him ride Chrono des Nations as well.

The race lost his prestige a bit. Would be nice to see him win 1 more race, and then call it quits for the season. I don't care which one he wins

 

[KoopaCycling]

The race lost his prestige a bit. Would be nice to see him win 1 more race, and then call it quits for the season. I don't care which one he wins

it still be nice to see him win it. especially since TT seems to come natural atm.

 

[Berniece]

it still be nice to see him win it. especially since TT seems to come natural atm.

True, and it's only 1 more week.

 

[AlpRaid]

Like I said, it's good they are looking to improve remco. Hopefully it's a fruitful union.

If they can keep him injury free, that in of itself will make it fruitful.

 

[Netserk]

You mean the GT's i take it. Cause outisde of that, there are plenty of easy examples.

-Last stage of PN 2024
- Catalunya 23
- Algarve 2020
-Burgos 2020
- Norway 2022
- Tour of Belgium 2019
- Tour de Pologne 2020

I remember spectatcular stages in all of them from Remco.

As for GT.
I'm gonna immeditaly disqualify both giro. (first came too early and out of form, second he left with covid. You can maybe make an argument for that final TT ride but all in all he left that Giro 2 early for me to cosnsider.) I also have to disqualify this year Tour. You can make the argument his winning mentality was shown by showing up out of shape hoping for the best, but all in all i don't think you should consider that out of form gt for this conversation.

That leaves:
-Vuelta 22 where he attacked on the first 2 mountain stages. Held fast in sierra nevada despite suffering from a crash, then attacked again in another mountainstage.

- Vuelta 23 cracked on Tourmalet but not before taking it to Roglic in an uphill sprint, and deciding to pace up a wall so that Visma could not use their numbers. Basically trying to be a 1 man deterrent for Visma team tactics. He then did not quit but showed resilience by taking stages and the polka dots.

-Tour 24 He came in not sure what to expect. still rode aggressively in the gravel stage and tried to attack Vingegaard for second place.

In both PN and Catalunya he was happy to ride with the winner on the last stage in order to get the stage win gifted to him rather than fight for GC.

I don't see that as a winning mentality. And certainly not to a greater degree than what Vingegaard has shown. So I don't know why you don't think Vingegaard has a winning mentality.

 

[Berniece]

In both PN and Catalunya he was happy to ride with the winner on the last stage in order to get the stage win gifted to him rather than fight for GC.

I don't see that as a winning mentality. And certainly not to a greater degree than what Vingegaard has shown. So I don't know why you don't think Vingegaard has a winning mentality.

Did you see those races? He kept going for the win, attacked multiple times over and over again. Then he won the sprint both times.

 

[Netserk]

Did you see those races? He kept going for the win, attacked multiple times over and over again. Then he won the sprint both times.

He didn't attack once he was away with Jorgenson. But he made sure that his pose was prepared for the gift he received after he had given up on the GC.

How is that showing a greater winning mentality than how Vingegaard usually rides?

 

[Netserk]

Two days before, he was looking around for others to win the race for him while the race winning attack went away.

Heart of a champion?

 

[Berniece]

He didn't attack once he was away with Jorgenson. But he made sure that his pose was prepared for the gift he received after he had given up on the GC.

How is that showing a greater winning mentality than how Vingegaard usually rides?

So when he dropped Vlasov that wasn’t because he accelerated? He does seated attacks too if you aren’t aware.

 

[Netserk]

So when he dropped Vlasov that wasn’t because he accelerated? He does seated attacks too if you aren’t aware.

He went at a steady pace. Fine if you don't want to risk anything and just make sure that you can win the stage.

He cooperated with Jorgenson immediately and was happy to pull him a lot before Eze. He didn't ride as if only 1st in GC counted.

 

[Berniece]

He went at a steady pace. Fine if you don't want to risk anything and just make sure that you can win the stage.

He cooperated with Jorgenson immediately and was happy to pull him a lot before Eze. He didn't ride as if only 1st in GC counted.

I just don’t understand why you push this narrative that he doesn’t attack and go for the win.

 

[Netserk]

I just don’t understand why you push this narrative that he doesn’t attack and go for the win.

Because he showed no winning mentality in that race. He was happy to finish with a gifted stage win after helping Jorgenson secure the GC.

Supposedly, it was not just an ordinary ride, but an example of why he has a winning mentality and Vingegaard doesn't. Does the latter never attack? Never ride away from his competition? Never fight even when not the strongest? Never defend a lead?

I haven't seen any argument for Evenepoel's winning mentality that doesn't also apply to Vingegaard.

 

[KoopaCycling]

In both PN and Catalunya he was happy to ride with the winner on the last stage in order to get the stage win gifted to him rather than fight for GC.

I don't see that as a winning mentality. And certainly not to a greater degree than what Vingegaard has shown. So I don't know why you don't think Vingegaard has a winning mentality.

That ain't true and you know it. I watched both stages. Remco tried everything. when it became clear he could not get them of his wheel, only then did he switch to chasing the stage win. But not after trying his best to get the GC. he attacked on both stages, and attacked both Roglic and Jorgenson multiple times.
To suggest otherwise, is to try and get away with a lie and hope it sticks with people whom are either unaware of the truth or have an hidden agenda against remco. I'm kinda surprised you would post such an obvious lie and try and make an argument off that.

 

[Netserk]

That ain't true and you know it. I watched both stages. Remco tried everything. when it became clear he could not get them of his wheel, only then did he switch to chasing the stage win. But not after trying his best to get the GC. he attacked on both stages, and attacked both Roglic and Jorgenson multiple times.
To suggest otherwise, is to try and get away with a lie and hope it sticks with people whom are either unaware of the truth or have an hidden agenda against remco. I'm kinda surprised you would post such an obvious lie and try and make an argument off that.

After he got away on Peille with Jorgenson, where were the multiple attacks for the overall victory?

What was it about his ill-timed attacks on Peille that showed a greater winning mentality than what Vingegaard has done? Or was it riding with Jorgenson and pacing the last climb that sets Evenepoel apart from Vingegaard?

 

[KoopaCycling]

After he got away on Peille with Jorgenson, where were the multiple attacks for the overall victory?

We both know he upped the pace and tried several times to dislodge Jorgenson. Jorgenson just did not budge.
Cease the lie. it's a dumb one, and anyone that watched the race or re-watches it can easily tell for themselves you be lying.

 

[Netserk]

We both know he upped the pace and tried several times to dislodge Jorgenson. Jorgenson just did not budge.
Cease the lie. it's a dumb one, and anyone that watched the race or re-watches it can easily tell for themselves you be lying.

He pulled the last climb from the bottom with a steady pace. Do you think he attacked Jorgenson before Eze? On Eze? Before the last climb? After the last climb?

 

[KoopaCycling]

Dude, just stop, you see him up the pace when Vlasov drops, then again near the top of the climb.
Just stop lying, have some self-respect. your point is too awful to persist in it, even for someone who dislikes remco.

 

[Netserk]

Dude, just stop, you see him up the pace when Vlasov drops, then again near the top of the climb.
Just stop lying. your point is too awful to persist in it, even for someone who dislikes remco.

So after riding with Jorgenson where Evenepoel pulled the most on the flat part after Peille and ensured the overall victory for Jorgenson, he then paced the last climb of the race with the pace he could keep and that shows he has a champion's heart and Vingegaard doesn't?

I think the latter has also paced climbs. By your standard, didn't Ventoux show that Vingegaard has a winning mentality?