the Dauphine used to have a 50km ITT until Gouvenou got his claws on it
the Dauphine used to have a 50km ITT until Gouvenou got his claws on it
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When it comes to normal people it's very easy: high BMI usually implies a lot of fat (unnecessary luggage) which directly lowers relative VO2max.
When it comes to elite sportsmen it can be associated with another form of luggage: bone mass. Guys with lower BMI may simply have less mass useless for oxygen utilization (bones+fat).
According to this paper there's a negative correlation in sports (not that strong though):
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Well, this is obvious: body fat mass. But when it comes to sportsmen in top form BMI vs VO2max relation is more complicated as they all have low body fat %. Then it's about other aspects (like bone mass, muscles efficiency, cardiac output etc), some of them are associated with BMI some are not.
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What? Jorgensen definitely attacked, together with McNulty and Skjelmose. It was just tactical mistake to focus on a weak Roglic instead of focussing on 3 rouleurs riding away.
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Long double interview with Evenepoel and Museeuw. Some nice parts in it, but can’t summarise now. Better to use Google translate for now.
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At that point in the race Remco was still focused on Roglic. He closed down an attack of Roglic right before, and was looking around with the focus on Roglic when Jorgenson attacked. Even when Skjelmose & McNulty went (and the gap was less than 15 sec with Jorgenson at that point) Remco was still making the tactical error (in hindsight) of being focused on Roglic. The trio then started to work together. Whereas in the chasing group they kept looking at each other.
Jorgenson basically used the Visma tactic they used during this year TdF, attack when he thinks no one will pay attention to him. Keep focus on other people. and he gets some bonus the relative easy way. At the time Jorgenson was not as known today as he is now. So no, Jorgenson in Remco's eyes was not yet the danger guy. that was Roglic.
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Very interesting interview.
Apparantly he communicated early on that they should maybe make the switch to chasing stages. (I'm guessing right before start of Tour, or at the start of the Tour) But the team said they could not change tactics last minute.
Said that he should not have started racing till the dauphiné if he wanted to be in proper shape for the tour. He says this with the caveat that he needs races to reach his top level.
My thoughts on this, is that his programme comments (better to have not raced before dauphiné) are probably hindsight knowledge. Interesting though that it was the team that did not want to change tactics, even though Remco clearly felt he was not in good enough shape to compete for GC over 3 weeks. Many comments, ... could have been avoided had they chosen to switch tactics and said in the pre-tour presser they would not go for GC this time.
Even more interesting for muyself, is that cause of all that has happened , remco confirmed he barely got to do the high intensity training needed to get better in the mountains. He believes that if he has a good winter and finally can get that training under his belt he can take a step forward in the mountains. (He did not say beat Pogacar, he said he could be better than his previous self).
He did say he won't try and avoid Pogacar. He wants to keep fighting Pogacar.
Remco was at 63,5 kg at the EC and pushed on average 306 Watt during 5 hours. He pushed 290 Watt on average in Lombardy. He gains 4-5 kg in the offseason, which for him lasts 4-5 weeks. (That's a lot he gains imo, confirming he gains kg pretty easy.)
Red Bull is more structured, and so far Remco likes that. The team consists of 200 people, at Soudal the team was 80 people. more support and specification.
Remco says he was feeling the stress of the transfer talks. Once all that was over, things became easier. His body recovered faster, ... . Sounds accurate given he seems to carry his emotions on his sleeve.
Remco hinting at entering some new territory. Wanting to race some monuments he hasn't raced before. Said he talked it over with the team but also said maybe not yet next year. So we should not expect Remco at Flanders methinks. And possible also not at MSR. At least not next year.
Apparantly he communicated early on that they should maybe make the switch to chasing stages. (I'm guessing right before start of Tour, or at the start of the Tour) But the team said they could not change tactics last minute.
Said that he should not have started racing till the dauphiné if he wanted to be in proper shape for the tour. He says this with the caveat that he needs races to reach his top level.
My thoughts on this, is that his programme comments (better to have not raced before dauphiné) are probably hindsight knowledge. Interesting though that it was the team that did not want to change tactics, even though Remco clearly felt he was not in good enough shape to compete for GC over 3 weeks. Many comments, ... could have been avoided had they chosen to switch tactics and said in the pre-tour presser they would not go for GC this time.
Even more interesting for muyself, is that cause of all that has happened , remco confirmed he barely got to do the high intensity training needed to get better in the mountains. He believes that if he has a good winter and finally can get that training under his belt he can take a step forward in the mountains. (He did not say beat Pogacar, he said he could be better than his previous self).
He did say he won't try and avoid Pogacar. He wants to keep fighting Pogacar.
Remco was at 63,5 kg at the EC and pushed on average 306 Watt during 5 hours. He pushed 290 Watt on average in Lombardy. He gains 4-5 kg in the offseason, which for him lasts 4-5 weeks. (That's a lot he gains imo, confirming he gains kg pretty easy.)
Red Bull is more structured, and so far Remco likes that. The team consists of 200 people, at Soudal the team was 80 people. more support and specification.
Remco says he was feeling the stress of the transfer talks. Once all that was over, things became easier. His body recovered faster, ... . Sounds accurate given he seems to carry his emotions on his sleeve.
Remco hinting at entering some new territory. Wanting to race some monuments he hasn't raced before. Said he talked it over with the team but also said maybe not yet next year. So we should not expect Remco at Flanders methinks. And possible also not at MSR. At least not next year.
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Absolute clownshow if they couldnt be flexible about this
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He also mentions that Moscon told him he got third in Lombardia a couple of years before, pushing 200 watts.
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Because the team wanted him to ride podium which they deemed more important than stages? That’s not so weird, right? A lot of teams go for top 10 instead of a stage.
I think it was dumb though when your rider says he can’t go for GC
Which is why he'll be unsuccessful against Pogacar; who seldom makes a tactical mistake. He may learn alot from Lipowitz and Roglic, IMO.
And if Remco was that rider; he should have been able to ride to those guys. Right? His Dauphine' showed he still didn't have his tactics right. He finished behind: Roglic, Jorgenson, Lipowitz. He won't have an excuse this season unless the blind faithful conjure up a defense.
Yet finishes in front of Remco in stage races that matter. He's also received much less attention and has less time racing...
He proved he could use an entire team's energy against itself in the year's Tour. Pogacar won his first Tour on selective effort with almost no help.
Point being: Remco has a dedicated situation and his training should flex to meet both the demands and opportunities RBH can give him. He doesn't need to carry the load solo and we should be prepared to appreciate what comes from it. True results; less excuses and theatrics 'cause he's a grown man.
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Cause Pogacar does not need tactics. He's that strong. Has great bike handling/positioning and has that strong of a team to back him up as well.
Also even Pogacar has had a few (tactical) mistakes, and they tend to happen when he was not sure he was stronger than the rest. Tdf 22, Paris Roubaix, WC 22 come to mind.
Every rider outside of Pogacar needs to ride tactically to a certain degree. Remco probably needs to ride less tactically than most of his rivals. That said, I have no clue what you are talking about in this second quote. i'm thinking you're confusing races. or mixing them up. I'm not sure.
In any case, remco is considered one of the big dogs. They all look at him, try to eat his plate. We'll see if or when Lipo gets the same status how he responds. One thing to ride as an underdog that people give less attention to, another to ride as one of the main favourites in every race you turn up to.
As for Lipo not getting as much attention till now, it's cause he was only starting to ride results people pay attention to halfway 2024. He's also not that young relative speaking.
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Thanks for the follow up. But this raises more questions. I always thought Remco's relative VO2 max (milliliters per Kilogram per minute) was extremely high - close to 90?
Since the 2022 Vuelta Remco seemed to have very low body fat % and that would help his relative VO2 max as well.
So I am still not convinced of BMI as being a better indicator of climbing than simply watts per kilo. I think BMI is just an assumed truth in cycling circles. A rider who is shorter but stockier can have similarly low bodyfat % as riders like Vingegaard. As I said at the beginning, the physics of climbing doesn't care about appearance. It only cares about sustained watts per kilo.
But ultimately we are all guessing. We don't know Remco's true watts and we don't know his true weight. But I do know he was climbing very well in the 2024 Tour de France.
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