Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Bernad Hinault said the strongest rider doesn't always win. I'm not going to throw myself into the gauntlet over who was the strongest, but it really does not matter if, among the strongest, one is more savy. That is proverbial bike racing. This means that Evenepoel has to be even more astute, than Roglic was to him, against Pogacar.
 
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Sure, if you want to go with that story. Nothing indicated this, definitely not what happened during stage 5, but if that's what you want to believe, feel free. It's clear to me Roglic fans have difficulty with this anyway. It's not enough that people say he was the smartest and best rider during Catalunya, oh no if someone says he wasn't the strongest that race.
That's the real story, it's facts. Rogla was the strongest.
 
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@Berniece Is it surprising that Remco fans think he was clearly the strongest and would have won the 2022 Vuelta even if Roglic hadn't come into the race injured or crashed out, and that Roglic fans feel the reverse? Or that Roglic fans think he demonstrated his wiles and strength in that 2023 Catalunya whereas Remco fans want to frame it as a win he should have had on strength? Not really. Roglic fans have suffered enough disappointment to be able to see things clearly through the cloud of emotions. ;)
 
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Sure, if you want to go with that story. Nothing indicated this, definitely not what happened during stage 5, but if that's what you want to believe, feel free. It's clear to me Roglic fans have difficulty with this anyway. It's not enough that people say he was the smartest and best rider during Catalunya, oh no if someone says he wasn't the strongest that race.
Also, Remco's taken Roglic's spot as top dog in GT time trails, he's taken Roglic's team, he's taking his Tour spot, he's taking his facial hair, and now you want the title as strongest rider in 2023 Catalunya?! Come on
 
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@Berniece Is it surprising that Remco fans think he was clearly the strongest and would have won the 2022 Vuelta even if Roglic hadn't come into the race injured or crashed out, and that Roglic fans feel the reverse? Or that Roglic fans think he demonstrated his wiles and strength in that 2023 Catalunya whereas Remco fans want to frame it as a win he should have had on strength? Not really. Roglic fans have suffered enough disappointment to be able to see things clearly through the cloud of emotions. ;)
Well I actually think Roglic was the strongest during the TDF 2020, but out of spite I’ll change my opinion on this!!!
 
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I haven't stayed on top of all these threads. What is the consensus on the ceiling for Remco in 2026, if all goes really well? To me, it's something like:

Win a stage race
Podium the Tour and be within 5 minutes of victory
Win a Monument / WC
 
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I haven't stayed on top of all these threads. What is the consensus on the ceiling for Remco in 2026, if all goes really well? To me, it's something like:

Win a stage race
Podium the Tour and be within 5 minutes of victory
Win a Monument / WC
Have not thought about it. Just want a healthy season and him showing up looking slightly better than at soudal. I read his current training is more intense than at the same time with soudal. Hopefully that is a good thing.
 
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I haven't stayed on top of all these threads. What is the consensus on the ceiling for Remco in 2026, if all goes really well? To me, it's something like:

Win a stage race
Podium the Tour and be within 5 minutes of victory
Win a Monument / WC
Yes, but also win multiple stage races. If it really goes well. Valencia is probably a given, since I expect him to come out of the gate running, but I would prefer a bigger stage race on his palmares too.
 
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I’m not sure how this proves Remco was the strongest. After all, you don’t know what Roglic could have done had he ridden with Remco’s lack of restraint. As it stands, he rode a measured race and won. Sure, LanterneRouge chose to represent La Port on their map as Evenepoel’s superior performance, bizarre given that Roglic won several seconds clear, but you also have to ask yourself: Was Roglic maxed out there? He sure looked cool as a cucumber hitting his Garmin stop button as Remco died a thousand deaths behind him. Seems like you’re giving Remco all the credit for hypotheticals but none to Roglic…you’re framing it as if this was Talansky stealing a Dauphine from a far superior Contador. This is far from that.
Exactly, Roglic rarely gives his all without the guarantee of gaining significant time on a rival when the race is very close (last year's Volta a Catalunya is the exception, and I think that's because he was frustrated with the intermediate sprints).

And that was clearly seen at Lo Port. In my opinion, he was quite fresh in the last kilometer or so, and if he had gone all out without any tricks, he could have gained at least 10 more seconds, but he overestimated Remco's strength. Also, in the last two laps of Montjuïc, he was, in my opinion, fresher than Remco, and it wouldn't have been impossible to drop him at the summit or in the descent, but there he had no need to do that after the Belgian's effort.

However, I give Bernie credit for Remco being stronger both at La Molina (obviously) and slightly at Valter, and on the day Remco attacked on a short climb, I know his body language too well, and Primoz was on the limit, unlike in the other stages I mentioned above. The sprint of the first stage is dubious, because I remember some comentators mentioning a headwind and Roglic was in top 2 places for the entire 600m climb while Remco made a brutal comeback but was very well protected in the slipstream, in fact in the last 50 meters he didn't gain anything.

So they were evenly matched in strength but overall Primoz was better, which is the importan thing.
 
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