Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[canina82]

Remco in Rwanda TT

But what is wrong with you? You came here just to taunt? But yes, Remco in Rwanda TT was a total humiliation just like Combloux, Hautacam, LBL, GdL.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Hey, you asked

I have not seen you post anything positive about remco, so no wonder you take that response so hard.

 

[Berniece]

So overall who had the most dominant win?

Vingegaard

 

[canina82]

Hey, you asked

What did I ask? We are comparing Tours and you come here with a WCTT.

 

[canina82]

Vingegaard

Thanks for answer. For curiosity, I created a poll to understand what people think.

 

[canina82]

Hey, you asked

I have not seen you post anything positive about remco, so no wonder you take that response so hard.

Where did I talk about Remco to be responded with "Remco in Kigali"?

 

[KoopaCycling]

In that case Vingegaard is more memorable and more spectacular. Both the TT and WVA green jersey dropping Pogacar and Vingegaard going solo. I'll remember Pogacar winning more, and being best (dominant) but Vingegaard victories are more beautiful. It's nice to see David slay Goliath. Goliath winning is just confirmation most of the time, save if something memorable happens like coming back after 3 flat tires on crucial moments.

Also purely on time difference (not emotion, how the race felt) it's curiously Vingegaard with 7'29''
Biggest gap Pogacar got was 6'17''

Come to think of it, i also can't remember a Vingegaard moment in the Tour were he completely collapsed the way Pogacar did. (and Remco did last year). Vingegaard collpased in EC RR last year, but never in the Tour so far.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Pog 2024 was definitely more dominant than Vingegaard 2023. Not even a question. 2025 likely more dominant if Pog doeesnt crash and get sick due to Jonas being quite bad

 

[KoopaCycling]

Pog 2024 was definitely more dominant than Vingegaard 2023. Not even a question. 2025 likely more dominant if Pog doeesnt crash and get sick due to Jonas being quite bad

Jonas had a minute more

 

[Valv.Piti]

Jonas had a minute more

That is completely irrelevant if you watched the race. Why in the world are we even having this debate if we could just look up time differences?

 

[KoopaCycling]

Did Jonas ever collapse ? Pogacar did

Also time difference tell a tale. Not like Pogacar ever eased up on purpose in the tour.

 

[AmRacer]

Did Jonas ever collapse ? Pogacar did

Also time difference tell a tale. Not like Pogacar ever eased up on purpose in the tour.

Time differences mean nothing, so many factors are in play. Not only the riders strength.

 

[kingjr]

You can lose 5 minutes on a stage even if you were only 20 seconds weaker.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Time differences mean nothing, so many factors are involved. Not only the riders strength.

Yes, yes, but in case of a debate they do matter since Pogacar tends to go all out in the tour, and pogacar cracked. whereas Jonas though more often defeated never fully cracked whereas he did manage to fully crack Tadej during a tour.

Obviously if we are taking the whole rivalry, pogacar wins. But a single Tour. Seems like Jonas did the most damage on inspection.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes, yes, but in case of a debate they do matter since Pogacar tends to go all out in the tour, and pogacar cracked. whereas Jonas though more often defeated never fully cracked whereas he did manage to fully crack Tadej during a tour.

Obviously if we are taking the whole rivalry, pogacar wins. But a single Tour. Seems like Jonas did the most damage on inspection.

Pogacar/Jonas goes all out on certain stages, and when the GC is settled. They do a few more attacks. Then we have the lazy stages where they don't do anything but could.

So, Pogis dominance 2024/2025 > Jonas 2022/2023, or any combination.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Not true, Pogacar went for as many wins as possible in as dominant a way as possible in 2024 in order to make a statement after 2023. He slowed down in 2025 cause he was not feeling well.

Pogacar is also on the record of changing his tour approach after being beaten by Jonas.

You are also making it about 2 tours now, not a single tour. That's different.
If we keep it at the original baseline of Tour vs Tour, then it seems Jonas wins (to my own surprise)

 

[canina82]

Not true, Pogacar went for as many wins as possible in as dominant a way as possible in 2024 in order to make a statement.
he slowed down in 2025 cause he was not feeling well.

Pogacar is also on the record of changing his tour approach after being beaten by Jonas.

You are also making it about 2 tours now, not a single tour. That's different.
If we keep it at the original baseline of Tour vs Tour, then it seems Jonas win (to my own surprise)

Moderators, can you move this conversation to a proper thread?

Regarding 2023 TdF, Vingegaard only won one stage because he couldn't win more.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Moderators, can you move this conversation to a proper thread?

Regarding 2023 TdF, Vingegaard only won one stage because he couldn't win more.

Lol, you started this debate on the remco thread. You just don't like the surprising answer

 

[canina82]

Lol, you started this debate on the remco thread. You just don't like the surprising answer

You must be very young (too much emotional and reactive). In any moment I felt surprised (I didn't even ask you), specially when I'm talking with some Remco fans who have this complex with Pogacar. Maybe you don't remember but there are forum rules. For that reason I created a poll to not extend the conversation here.

 

[KoopaCycling]

I'm not the one making things personal again, painting the other as the bad guy.
You asked a question, i responded with facts, you don't like the facts, and resulting to this.
If anything i went in believing it would be Pogacar. I found out, that was not the case.
I haven't attacked you. Just stated Vingegaard case and answer in the thread in which you asked the question

 

[canina82]

I'm not the one making things personal again, painting the other as the bad guy.
You asked a question, i responded with facts, you don't like the facts, and resulting to this.
If anything i went in believing it would be Pogacar. I found out, that was not the case.
I haven't attacked you. Just stated Vingegaard case and answer in the thread in which you asked the question

I didn't ask you anything here.
Just move on.

 

[KoopaCycling]

For curiosity, who had the most dominant win? 2025 Pogacar or 2023 Vingegaard? I should create a poll with this.

I'm sorry but you can't cry foul whenever the answer doesn't suit your desires.

Time gap and crack of Tadej are clear.
Jonas did not crack in a similar fashion.
What else can I say.

 

[AmRacer]

I'm sorry but you can't cry foul whenever the answer doesn't suit your desires.

Time gap and crack of Tadej are clear.
Jonas did not crack in a similar fashion.
What else can I say.

@canina82 didn't ask you anything.
Time gap doesn't menar anything
Neither do crack.

 

[canina82]

I'm sorry but you can't cry foul whenever the answer doesn't suit your desires.

Time gap and crack of Tadej are clear.
Jonas did not crack in a similar fashion.
What else can I say.

Mate, I didn't ask you. I asked to Berniece. What is your problem with reading?

 

[KoopaCycling]

You asked a question on a forum , and several people responded. Not just me.
You just don't seem to enjoy my input in the matter, but that ain't my problem.

I just gave my opinion on the matter, and you are now making it personal.
Not me.