The Rohan Dennis threat

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What is the relevance of your post - We are discussing Porte's performances at the TDF -2016 was the missed opportunity when he had the mechanical in stage three or 4 - It cost him a podium - Otherwise he's never been near it at the TDF when chasing GC - The only relevance to your post is that GVA is a serial non-winner at GT's considering the resources thrown behind him - Maybe compare him to Gilbert who knows how to win GT stages.
The relevance is that you are trying to belittle Van Avermaet or lie about his achievements, in order to make it look like supporting him was some sort of blasphemy, while everything should have been done to secure the one true God Richie Porte's assumed podium spot which nobody could predict at that time. As if Porte was a proven GT GC rider to begin with.

While i'm not saying Porte shouldn't have been a protected rider or shouldn't have been better supported by the team, acting as if Van Avermaet is to blame, or as if Van Avermaet didn't warrant team support is laughable at best. Especially in 2016.

Furthermore, the mechanical you speak of, happened in stage 5, which Van Avermaet actually won, and the team had no way of predicting the mechanical, nor the rest of the GC battle. A lot can happen and most riders lose time here or there. Not to mention the fact that other riders will adapt to circumstances. In other words, not having had the mechanical would not have been a guarantee that he would have stayed ahead of the riders that ended up in front of him. Maybe it would have, maybe not. But you can't say that for sure since the dynamics of a race simply change.
 
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The relevance is that you are trying to belittle Van Avermaet or lie about his achievements, in order to make it look like supporting him was some sort of blasphemy, while everything should have been done to secure the one true God Richie Porte's assumed podium spot which nobody could predict at that time. As if Porte was a proven GT GC rider to begin with.

While i'm not saying Porte shouldn't have been a protected rider or shouldn't have been better supported by the team, acting as if Van Avermaet is to blame, or as if Van Avermaet didn't warrant team support is laughable at best. Especially in 2016.

Furthermore, the mechanical you speak of, happened in stage 5, which Van Avermaet actually won, and the team had no way of predicting the mechanical, nor the rest of the GC battle. A lot can happen and most riders lose time here or there. Not to mention the fact that other riders will adapt to circumstances. In other words, not having had the mechanical would not have been a guarantee that he would have stayed ahead of the riders that ended up in front of him. Maybe it would have, maybe not. But you can't say that for sure since the dynamics of a race simply change.
I have raised two points in my arguments - One is that Porte's best ever performance riding for GC at the TDF was 2016 in which the late mechanical along with limited team support at the point probably cost him a podium - Have posted numerous times that Porte is over-rated, idolised by the Aussie cycling mafia and that if all things went right could get a podium at a GT as his best possible result - The point is about GVA is that he has a limited palmares at GT's for the amount of team support he receives, compared to Gilbert who has won 11 GT stages.

I will pose a question - Trentin and GVA will both be protected riders at the TDF ? Who is more likely to win a stage.
 
The point is about GVA is that he has a limited palmares at GT's for the amount of team support he receives, compared to Gilbert who has won 11 GT stages.
While that may be true, you know as well as i do, that Vuelta stage wins do not compare to TDF stage wins. So, nice try there ;-)
I'm not saying Van Avermaet shouldn't have been more successful, but i think he also wore the yellow jersey a lot more than Porte, (the GC guy) did. And especially in 2016, your argument falls flat. While he may be an underachiever in some ways, he also races throughout the entire season and has given his team a lot of exposure (which is what the team needs).

And my point was that stage 5 of a TDF in 2016, while Porte has proven zero shits as a GC rider while Van Avermaet was in his best ever form, you don't have to make such a fuss about the team protecting their star rider (whether you like to hear it or not) who ended up winning the god damn stage. But as far as the team goas, i agree, it should have done better to prevent such time loss for their GC rider.

I will pose a question - Trentin and GVA will both be protected riders at the TDF ? Who is more likely to win a stage.
Since Trentin is the better finisher and 4 years younger, chances are it's Trentin. But what does that have to do with anything?
 
While that may be true, you know as well as i do, that Vuelta stage wins do not compare to TDF stage wins. So, nice try there ;-)
I'm not saying Van Avermaet shouldn't have been more successful, but i think he also wore the yellow jersey a lot more than Porte, (the GC guy) did. And especially in 2016, your argument falls flat. While he may be an underachiever in some ways, he also races throughout the entire season and has given his team a lot of exposure (which is what the team needs).

And my point was that stage 5 of a TDF in 2016, while Porte has proven zero shits as a GC rider while Van Avermaet was in his best ever form, you don't have to make such a fuss about the team protecting their star rider (whether you like to hear it or not) who ended up winning the god damn stage. But as far as the team goas, i agree, it should have done better to prevent such time loss for their GC rider.


Since Trentin is the better finisher and 4 years younger, chances are it's Trentin. But what does that have to do with anything?
The relevance of me including Gilbert in the discussion is to show how difficult it is for top level classic riders to win GT stages, unless you are a top level sprinter, while in today's area of specialisation, fast sprinters play a limited role in the classics - So if you build a team around a Classics rider GT stages will be hard to find - Finally, Gilbert's 11 GT stage wins is not to be under-estimated.
 
Maybe not this year as Dennis probably shoots hard for the Olympics, but I'm kinda waiting something interesting to happen. Thinking like what Mick Rogers did his best (eldery) days at Giro Monte Zoncolan & TdF Bagneres-de-Luchon. RD with that just a bit lighter frame...The engine is there! :cool:
 
Impressive showing, basically T2 on GC on a course that doesn't suit him at all. Seems like he could do some damage in the weeklong stage races this year that include a TT.
 
That wasn't smart. Why does he have to tell everyone that he breaks the rules? He can tell that his mummy, but telling everyone ist really stupid. He will cope better without instagram I think.
 
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Just wondering if anybody has or knows how many race days the last few TDF or Giro ,Vuelta winners had before their victories..?
Dennis is a talent so I won't count anybody out for rider of the year for this year whatever it ends up looking like.
in most threads about riders and projections,you have seen the common phrase early season form..don't know if this year we would ever need to say that!!!
I am wondering who will be it..if only 1 big race takes place?
 
Unbelievably dumb. And what kind of point is he even trying to make when he says he's showing "the reality of how **** the situation is" and "not being one of [our] beloved drones who show their 'perfect world' as an elite athlete"? The reality of how dumb he is?
 
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I guess he is simply frustrated at not being able to rode his bike on public roads? If this was his true motivation I don't blame him even if I would never have posted such a thing myself knowing the inevitable carry-on that would ensue. The reality is there is no evidence you can catch or spread the virus riding solo. The only reason this law has been implemented in those countries is the misguided belief that a cyclist might occupy a hospital bed which might otherwise be needed by COVID patient. Governments should still support and encourage healthy exercise. The health benefits of many outweigh the disadvantage of the few who might crash and possibly occupy a hospital bed.
 
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Yeah, perhaps you are right, but the behavior is really strange and stupid. If he is frustrated at not being able to ride his bike outside he should just say that. Unfortunately he seems to have a problem with himself but he always seems to think that other things are the problem. Not the best way to sort things out.
 

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