"The Secret Pro" on Katusha and doping

[Von Mises]

2004



Most people would agree is not an argument. Never. Its just a statement that people believe something.

But you are being very vague as a whole and just repeating the same vague points. You think the attitude has changed. Ok I agree it has changed somewhat. But we are in 2013. The mid 2000's lie between the 90's and today. When did this change take place? How do you know.

Of course he is vague because obviously it is not possible to point exact date or event when change took place. Like with most complex social processes change is not linear, constant and evenly distributed. For instance I would say that for French cycling this change started earlier, I am not able to say exact date, but somewhere between 2000-2005.

 

[Race Radio]

2004



Most people would agree is not an argument. Never. Its just a statement that people believe something.

But you are being very vague as a whole and just repeating the same vague points. You think the attitude has changed. Ok I agree it has changed somewhat. But we are in 2013. The mid 2000's lie between the 90's and today. When did this change take place? How do you know. 2006 and 7 tours had the most scandals, the fastest climbs, and a very large number of stage winners who have since been found to dope.

6 different riders won the 6 grand tours in those years, and of those 5 have since been caught doping and the 6th retired while being examined in investigations.

We know for a fact that several teams involved in those tours did team wide doping.

So what was the difference. Why was it ok to dope in 1998 and not 2005, 2006, 2007?

thanks for proving my point.

It is clear he is witting about this year, not 9 years ago. Santambrogio tested positive in 2013

 

[Race Radio]

Of course he is vague because obviously it is not possible to point exact date or event when change took place. Like with most complex social processes change is not linear, constant and evenly distributed. For instance I would say that for French cycling this change started earlier, I am not able to say exact date, but somewhere between 2000-2005.

Agreed.

The French introduced longitudinal testing in and criminalizing doping in 99. This had a huge effect on French cycling. The transition from EPO to transfusions thinned the herd even more. Many riders refused to take that step. WADA starting real OOC testing in 2005 coupled with Landis and Puerto caused another huge inflection point. The biopassport, internal testing, and the Armstrong case have also had a huge effect.

The Secret Pro is correct, the acceptance of oxygen vector doping in the sport is significantly different today compared to 1998. This applies to all riders, not just Aussies

 

[zigmeister]

Seriously, why the dogpile on Cobo? Not so much as named in an investigation.

Haha, no kidding, the guy was performing amazing 2 yrs ago at the Vuelta and wins the race out of nowhere. Then into obscurity suddenly. Classic signs of EPO use for that race.

Is he still alive????

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Haha, no kidding, the guy was performing amazing 2 yrs ago at the Vuelta and wins the race out of nowhere. Then into obscurity suddenly. Classic signs of EPO use for that race.

Is he still alive????

As I put in the Sky thread once, if you defend Sky you must defend Cobo. Never named in an investigation, only things we have against him are performance levels and teams he's raced for, and a medical background we can debate.

 

[hrotha]

Haha, no kidding, the guy was performing amazing 2 yrs ago at the Vuelta and wins the race out of nowhere. Then into obscurity suddenly. Classic signs of EPO use for that race.

Is he still alive????

The case of Cobo is more complicated than that. While he's obviously a doper, he has serious psychological issues too.

 

[del1962]

As I put in the Sky thread once, if you defend Sky you must defend Cobo. Never named in an investigation, only things we have against him are performance levels and teams he's raced for, and a medical background we can debate.

Why, Cobo rode hand in hand with Piepoli up the mountain, on the team with Ricco, which got kicked of the tour. I know that both Froome and Wiggins where on teams that had a doper on them, but they were not winning stages together with said dopers.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

As I put in the Sky thread once, if you defend Sky you must defend Cobo. Never named in an investigation, only things we have against him are performance levels and teams he's raced for, and a medical background we can debate.

An interesting article here.I know people who have suffered from depression and it has ruined their lives.

 

[sniper]

what was wrong with the 2011 vuelta podium? nrs. 1 and 2 may have been surprises, but if we may believe vaughters at least the nr. 3 of that vuelta was clean.

 

[sniper]

The case of Cobo is more complicated than that. While he's obviously a doper, he has serious psychological issues too.

it's funny you mention that, because Cobo used to remind me of Elias Koteas in the Fallen.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

it's funny you mention that, because Cobo used to remind me of Elias Koteas in the Fallen.

In Gattaca, doesn't Elias Koteas play the father of a man whose life becomes reliant on dodging unrine and blood tests. Unwittingly Sniper, I think you have provided the, now, obvious proof that Cobo dopes. Clearly watching how Vincent dodged the various tests inspired Cobo.

 

[The Hitch]

It is clear he is witting about this year, not 9 years ago. Santambrogio tested positive in 2013

I never said anything about santamborgio. I was talking about contador. Contador turned pro more than 9 years ago.

 

[roundabout]

In Gattaca, doesn't Elias Koteas play the father of a man whose life becomes reliant on dodging unrine and blood tests. Unwittingly Sniper, I think you have provided the, now, obvious proof that Cobo dopes. Clearly watching how Vincent dodged the various tests inspired Cobo.

I always thought Cobo looked like Kojak.

Or Archer Maggott if more sinister roles are considered

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I always thought Cobo looked like Kojak.

Kojak was bald. Why you ask? Doping of course. Clearly Cobo was a fan of Kojak and hence is a doper.

Who loves ya baby?

 

[bianchigirl]

Anyone got a copy of the CAS decision allowing Katusha back in world tour? Seems the PDF is missing from CAS website.

Just as makarov claims mcquaid tried to blackmail him, too.

How very odd

 

[del1962]

Did the full reason for their decision ever get mad public?

 

[sniper]

i only found this: http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/6491/5048/0/Media20Release2015.02.13.pdf

indeed a PDF with the reasoned decision seems not there now, though it should be there somewhere

In view of the urgency of the matter, the Panel has issued its decision today, without the grounds which will be issued in writing in a few weeks.

 

[panyagua]

Did the full reason for their decision ever get mad public?

Yep. It was posted several months (May?) after the February announcement about Katusha's license. But the original link no longer works so I presume it's been taken down.

 

[Night Rider]

Another post up by the secret pro today. It has that feel that it's from a different rider to last year?

Still boring as hell and defending Dodger Rogers? It's like a propaganda machine for the good ol boys of ozzie cycling.

http://t.co/e8knpxJ73A

 

[deValtos]

I could actually buy his excuses for Rogers clenbuterol positive. Though like Tyler Hamilton said it's "Karma" for all those other scandals he's magically avoided.

I didn't think it was boring, I hadn't heard the cocaine story before - that sounds hilarious. Plus how the hell does Vino and Kash's blood bags get mixed up ?!?

 

[ralphbert]

He has a nice set of swingers to talk about vino. Even now I thought you would wake up next to a horses head for saying stuff like that about vino.

 

[zlev11]

the guy using his cokehead cousins blood has to be Simoni, right?

 

[Netserk]

the guy using his cokehead cousins blood has to be Simoni, right?

Yes, but I like the official reason for his positive more