The Skil Shimano Message...

[TRDean]

I wasn't sure where to place this thread...Anyway, there was a nice piece on cyclingnews today about Skil possibly getting a Tour invite should Vacansoleil go even more in the toilet. Iwan Spekenbrink of Skil talks about the goals of the team which are not simply to chase points. Now..everyone knows I am a Skil homer...but I believe there is a lot to be gleaned from this...mostly that if more races took teams based on their continued anti-doping stance..it will lend more credence for teams to follow suit. Hit them in the pocketbook...lost advertising in the big races. I know this is probably not feasable in the current structure, but it is one way to move forward. Now all that being said..if Skil riders were busted..I would be done with the sport LOL! If this is the wrong forum..MODS please move.

 

[hrotha]

Vacansoleil out, Skil in to make a point about clean racing, only to ride alongside RadioShack or Astana?

 

[jens_attacks]

just move it from here,it doesn't belong here.and if you suport a team just because you think it's clean(whatever this means) you are a lost cause.

and yes kluge will be a big rider.huge talent.

 

[TRDean]

just move it from here,it doesn't belong here.and if you suport a team just because you think it's clean(whatever this means) you are a lost cause.and yes kluge will be a big rider.huge talent.

Whats your problem skippy..dog **** in your cereal? I don't need you to tell me if I'm a lost cause or not. You root for who/what you want to for whatever reason you like and I will do the same.

 

[TRDean]

Vacansoleil out, Skil in to make a point about clean racing, only to ride alongside RadioShack or Astana?

Thats not what I'm saying...I'm saying that Skil should have been in from the get go...they have set their team up as a polar opposite to Vacansoleil. If the Tour chose teams based on what they perceive as good public relations then it would be a win/win.

Anyway, I won't discuss anymore. But for all the ****ing around here it is nice to see a uplifting story regarding the building and development of a team.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Skil is as always full of s***. they try to be the best student in the class and get a nice pet on the back of their head and are then left in the cold again but with a smile because you are a good boy!! only that doesn't get you anywhere.

there is no way skill will ride a gt this year. Said same thing last year when skil said the same bs story's and also rode nothing of interest

in fact this year they aren't even invited to paris nice. bretagne schuller now gets that place... how humiliating

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Thats not what I'm saying...I'm saying that Skil should have been in from the get go...they have set their team up as a polar opposite to Vacansoleil. If the Tour chose teams based on what they perceive as good public relations then it would be a win/win.

Anyway, I won't discuss anymore. But for all the ****ing around here it is nice to see a uplifting story regarding the building and development of a team.

uplifting story?? what uplifting story?? they have become progressively worse every year in results and talents and their program has become worse as well. seriously what major talents do they have?? I read bonnin and kittel are the world biggest u23 talents in that interview with spekenbrink. wtf is that guy injecting himself with?? I can name 5 colombians that have shown more than them in the past few years as u23 in worldwide races but I;m sure they are not in skils amazing "talentpool".

spekenbrink makes a fool out of himself every time he opens his mouth, which is quite a lot.

 

[TRDean]

uplifting story?? what uplifting story?? they have become progressively worse every year in results and talents and their program has become worse as well. seriously what major talents do they have?? I read bonnin and kittel are the world biggest u23 talents in that interview with spekenbrink. wtf is that guy injecting himself with?? I can name 5 colombians that have shown more than them in the past few years as u23 in worldwide races but I;m sure they are not in skils amazing "talentpool".

spekenbrink makes a fool out of himself every time he opens his mouth, which is quite a lot.

Whats your problem? You are quite an idiot...always the colombians...yet they cant produce ****. If you like that racing fine..but pull your head out of your *** because you are sounding like the moron you are.

 

[jens_attacks]

Whats your problem skippy..dog **** in your cereal? I don't need you to tell me if I'm a lost cause or not. You root for who/what you want to for whatever reason you like and I will do the same.

oh don't get angry dear.people getting angry on the internet make me so sad.

you were right though,support them,i'm not gonna stand in your way.

 

[TRDean]

oh don't get angry dear.people getting angry on the internet make me so sad.

you were right though,support them,i'm not gonna stand in your way.

And I love you people that post **** just because you can! I'm glad you are so sad...and you standing in my way surely would not stop me from supporting them! HA!

 

[joy118118]

skil is not as good as vac IMHO. they did well as a PCT team. A PT team? no.

Kittel is good but not that good. I heard in 2009 that HTC wanted him and Degenkolb both. But they finally only picked Degenkolb.

 

[kurtinsc]

I haven't found their team all that interesting the past few years. Not saying there's anything wrong with them... but other then Kenny trying to hang on for the Lantern Rouge in the Tour I simply haven't seen much to generate interest.

Their biggest win in the last 3 years is what... a stage of the Bayern-Rundfahrt or Qinghai Lake? Dutch Food Valley Classic?

Who's the draw for the Tour? Kenny Van Hummel? I'm sorry... that's just not enough.

 

[Jakob747]

I read bonnin and kittel are the world biggest u23 talents in that interview with spekenbrink. wtf is that guy injecting himself with?? I can name 5 colombians that have shown more than them in the past few years as u23 in worldwide races but I;m sure they are not in skils amazing "talentpool".

spekenbrink makes a fool out of himself every time he opens his mouth, which is quite a lot.

Can you provide me with a link to the Interview where he claimed that? If he really stated that then he is downright delusional.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I've heard from inner sources that Skil's management only consists of idiots.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Can you provide me with a link to the Interview where he claimed that? If he really stated that then he is downright delusional.

AMSTERDAM - Met vijf topvijfklasseringen in Katar en Oman heeft de Nederlandse wielerformatie Skil-Shimano een positieve indruk achtergelaten bij de belangrijkste wielerorganisator ASO. De ploeg rekent op een wildcard voor de Ronde van Spanje en heeft nog stille hoop op deelname aan de Tour de France. "In principe is de deur van de Tour gesloten. Maar als er ’gekke’ dingen gebeuren, zijn wij de eerste optie. Dat komt omdat de Tour ons beleid toejuicht”, stelt teammanager Iwan Spekenbrink na diverse gesprekken in Doha.


Teammanager Iwan Spekenbrink. Met die ’gekke’ dingen doelt Spekenbrink op de ethische code die bij ASO heilig is. De afgelopen weken kwam de vraag naar voren hoe de andere Nederlandse ploeg Vacansoleil-DCM na de affaire rond Riccardo Riccò beoordeeld zou worden. "Vacansoleil heeft haar beleid succesvol aangepast op het systeem van de UCI”, oordeelt Spekenbrink. "Zij hebben vooral naar renners gekeken die punten opleveren. Op die manier plaatsten ze zich bij de WorldTour-ploegen. Hun doel is de grote rondes te rijden. Ik denk dat publiciteit daar belangrijk is.”

Meer wil Spekenbrink er niet over zeggen. Hij blijft uitgaan van zijn eigen beleid. "Wij gaan onze filosofie niet bijstellen aan een verandering in het UCI-systeem”, zegt hij duidelijk. "Wij willen talentvolle renners een kans geven om in onze ploeg te groeien. Wij investeren liever in een verantwoordde progressie dan in de punten van een renner. Een van de mooiste voorbeelden is misschien Roger Kluge. Wij volgden hem al langer als goede sprinter. Door een sleutelbeenbreuk was Kluge vorig jaar lang uit roulatie. Hij was voor andere ploegen niet meer interessant, omdat hij nauwelijks punten had.”

Misschien is Spekenbrink hiermee wel het braafste jongetje van de klas en mist hij enigszins de branie om in de harde wielerwereld te overleven. Na de Tourdeelname in 2009 is het immers stil rond Skil-Shimano geworden. Al mist de ploeg ook wel de twee à drie miljoen euro extra die nodig is om in de WorldTour mee te doen. "Je kunt ons beleid idealistisch noemen, maar ik ben ervan overtuigd dat we op termijn juist hiervan de vruchten plukken. Steeds meer betere renners kiezen bewust voor ons systeem. Met Kittel en Bonnin hebben we de wereldtop van onder de 23 jaar aangetrokken. Dankzij onze gestage groei rijden we nu al meer grote wedstrijden en komen er vanzelf meer punten binnen.”

De goede optredens in Katar en Oman waren daarvan een bewijs. "In de gesprekken met de top van ASO is nog eens gezegd dat ze onze filosofie waarderen. Er is letterlijk gezegd dat we een goede kans hebben om de Ronde van Spanje te rijden. Wanneer de Vuelta ons desondanks geen wildcard geeft, zou dat een grote teleurstelling zijn. In onze ontwikkeling hebben we die ronde nodig. We missen dan niet alleen de exposure voor onze sponsors, maar ook voor de renners is het een gemiste kans. Ik blijf echter vertrouwen houden dat ons beleid beloond gaat worden.”

 

[Ryaguas]

I've heard from inner sources that Skil's management only consists of idiots.

1st. Great avatar DT

2nd. Skil over Vacansoleil??? Nah... before invite Skil I'd invite Cafe de Colombia - Colombia es Pasion to Le Tour and They'd teach to the likes of Contador, Andrew, Basso et al. how to climb

 

[jaylew]

I've got to be honest; I really don't want to see them in the Tour again. A team whose only hope is to get in a few breaks for TV time or fight for the Lanterne Rouge just doesn't do it for me.

TRDean, I know you're a big fan, and I like that you are loyal to them, but that team has never excited me. Kluge, Kittel, and Veelers seem to have some potential, so things could change but do they have anyone that can climb even a little?

 

[Ryaguas]

I've got to be honest; I really don't want to see them in the Tour again. A team whose only hope is to get in a few breaks for TV time or fight for the Lanterne Rouge just doesn't do it for me.

TRDean, I know you're a big fan, and I like that you are loyal to them, but that team has never excited me. Kluge, Kittel, and Veelers seem to have some potential, so things could change but do they have anyone that can climb even a little?

Dont forget Kenny "Caveman" Van Hummel!

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

1st. Great avatar DT

2nd. Skil over Vacansoleil??? Nah... before invite Skil I'd invite Cafe de Colombia - Colombia es Pasion to Le Tour and They'd teach to the likes of Contador, Andrew, Basso et al. how to climb

Yep, I'm sure this would happen
All this unproven Colombian climb domination is becoming unbearable. Irregardless of the topic ryo claims colombians are the answer.

There's a difference to exciting riding I'n s/America and being the best climber at the top level.

 

[Sasquatch]

Team Extra Crispy Chicken will get an invite before Skil.

 

[barn yard]

pegasus would have been better than skil

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Meh, Both teams in reality are teams for breakaway, Pegasus were barely better (sorry McEwen wasn't going to contest any high speed sprints at the tour anymore anyway).

people being pretty hard on skil, granted they don't have an amazing sqaud, but I like seeing them attempt to be competitive in the races they attend anyway. Granted they probably wouldn't bring a lot to the tour, but I enjoyed their participation last time they rode anyway.