I think, and hope, he has learned that lesson.Pogacar can lose this because he is too confident in himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he started responding to multiple attacks from Visma.
I think, and hope, he has learned that lesson.Pogacar can lose this because he is too confident in himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he started responding to multiple attacks from Visma.
There is a 100% chance he makes multiple attempts to get in the break but not sure his shape is good enough to rate his chances of being in the break of the day quite so highly.I think there's a 95% chance we see Wout in the break tomorrow.
We never know with him. He is older now and seems wiser but...I think, and hope, he has learned that lesson.
He can recover 10 minutes to Jorg if he wants.4 to 5 minutes in GC behind Jorg is too much, IMO. The reasoning is it put pogi on the attack in subsequent stages and vingo only has to stay in the draft.
Gaming out bonkers scenarios here.
No, I won't. I only fear Matteo in this stage because Pogacar can be stupid enough to go after him.I can’t accept that range. You’ll be the first in the race thread announcing it’s over for pogi. For the love of Pete don’t allow Jorg 10 minutes!
He can recover 10 minutes to Jorg if he wants.
Big ifI don't think it's about simple recovering time to Jorgenson.
If he needs to win time (on Visma) his tactics advantage is lost and he has to attack. Vingegaard can only follow and do 1 or 2 deadly attacks if he can.
That's true.Big if
The problem I see is that it would force Pogačar to attack and if Vingegaard is at Pogačar‘s level that might give Vingegaard a decisive edge. Of course if Vingegaard doesn‘t have it, there are no issues anyway.Since when does Jorgenson have the ability to win the Tour?
The wheel to watch is Vingegaard. Jorgenson isn't Roglic. Jorgenson said he didn't see himself winning a Giro, but now all I read on social media and in the forum that Jorgenson could complicate the Tour tomorrow when he's always lost more than 1-2 minutes per mountain stage to Pogacar.
Are we talking about the same Jorgenson who finished more than half an hour behind in last year's Tour, or the one who couldn't even keep up with Remco in Dauphiné?I don't think it's about simple recovering time to Jorgenson.
If he needs to win time (on Visma) his tactics advantage is lost and he has to attack. Vingegaard can only follow and do 1 or 2 deadly attacks if he can.
ROFL. Not even a future GT podium finisherI am the first to admit that Jorgensen lives rent-free in my head:
- Only 1:34 behind.
- Proven ability to rile up Tadej.
- Potential to be to Vingegaard what Vingegaard was to Roglič in 2022 after the hay bale debacle
Clearly need a calming evening ride to get a hold of myself.
Vingegaard was second in 2021, far behind Pogacar, but Jorgenson was eighth in 2024, far behind Mikel Landa.I am the first to admit that Jorgensen lives rent-free in my head:
- Only 1:34 behind.
- Proven ability to rile up Tadej.
- Potential to be to Vingegaard what Vingegaard was to Roglič in 2022 after the hay bale debacle
Clearly need a calming evening ride to get a hold of myself.
Same, but have to believe that a) Pogacar is a lot smarter now and b) he is miles better than Jorgenson anyways, so it wont be a problem.I am the first to admit that Jorgensen lives rent-free in my head:
- Only 1:34 behind.
- Proven ability to rile up Tadej.
- Potential to be to Vingegaard what Vingegaard was to Roglič in 2022 after the hay bale debacle
Clearly need a calming evening ride to get a hold of myself.
Are we talking about the same Jorgenson who finished more than half an hour behind in last year's Tour, or the one who couldn't even keep up with Remco in Dauphiné?
Jorgenson shouldn't even keep up with Remco in the mountains.
Pogacar won't have to attack Jorgenson; Pogacar´s pace alone should droppe him before Pogacar makes a strong attack.
Unless Jorgenson has taken 10 steps forward since the Dauphiné.
He couldn't even keep up with Remco in the Dauphiné, even though Remco didn't have his best performance. Last year, he was beaten by Landa, Remco's domestique, in every stage.ROFL. Not even a future GT podium finisher
I'm not worried about Matteo. I'm worried about Pogacar's excessive confidence and he responds to him just to show who is the boss.He couldn't even keep up with Remco in the Dauphiné, even though Remco didn't have his best performance. Last year, he was beaten by Landa, Remco's domestique, in every stage.
I don't understand this psychosis with Jorgenson. Perhaps it's because influencers working for Visma are spreading this idea on Twitter.
If Jorgenson gains time in a breakaway tomorrow, Pogacar doesn't even have to attack him. With simple pace before the attack, Jorgenson will dropped like he did in Dauphiné. And as soon as Pogacar attacks, he'll open a two-minute gap on high-mountains.
to me if jorgenson takes 2 minutes and the yellow jersey it would be ideal. It means pog can take it easy behind and have no podium commitments tomorrow and before the hautacam stageHe couldn't even keep up with Remco in the Dauphiné, even though Remco didn't have his best performance. Last year, he was beaten by Landa, Remco's domestique, in every stage.
I don't understand this psychosis with Jorgenson. Perhaps it's because influencers working for Visma are spreading this idea on Twitter.
If Jorgenson gains time in a breakaway tomorrow, Pogacar doesn't even have to attack him. With simple pace before the attack, Jorgenson will dropped like he did in Dauphiné. And as soon as Pogacar attacks, he'll open a two-minute gap on high-mountains.
to me if jorgenson takes 2 minutes and the yellow jersey it would be ideal. It means pog can take it easy behind and have no podium commitments tomorrow and before the hautacam stage
I would love to see Matteo gaining 2' on both Vingegaard and Pogacar. Pogacar would surpass him on Hautacam and then catch him in the MTT.to me if jorgenson takes 2 minutes and the yellow jersey it would be ideal. It means pog can take it easy behind and have no podium commitments tomorrow and before the hautacam stage
true, let's see, loosing 2-3 minutes tomorrow to jorgenson and remain on the wheels would be good, I just hope he doesn't start covering attacks by himself with 100km to goHe could even give him more than 5. He'll lose more than 2 in each mountain stage, just like last year.