Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

It starts all uphill. That will be extremely difficult

I would let a big break go without any Visma.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If UAE can't control a stage with less than 170 km and zero high mountains, they are screwed in the mountains.

Then Pogi will have to treat Visma train as his own, like in 2020. Just stick to Vingo's wheel, no matter what.

 

[Cycling111]

If UAE can't control a stage with less than 170 km and zero high mountains, they are screwed in the mountains.

Sometimes it's harder to control a stage like tomorrow's. Because it starts uphill and there's no flat section. And because there are more riders capable of handling the mid-mountain stage than the high-mountain stage, so tomorrow's break probabbly will be more competitive than a high-mountain stage.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I still fail to understand why on Earth he should follow Jorgenson. Even more important what kind a threat he would be

For me, he isn't a threat but like we know only ine thing can stop Pogacar, overconfidence!

 

[scribers]

At 4300 meters of climbing tomorrow will be very difficult for a team to manage. How the break is managed is everything tomorrow. No Jorg in the break means visma is wasting Kj contributing to the chase.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Yup. If not, he will be alone against 4 Visma.

Pog when he's alone against Visma:

 

[scribers]

I would let a big break go without any Visma.

Fully agree. And no remco. I’d tell bora to get one of their favorites in there and hope for yellow

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sometimes it's harder to control a stage like tomorrow's. Because it starts uphill and there's no flat section. And because there are more riders capable of handling the mid-mountain stage than the high-mountain stage, so tomorrow's break probabbly will be more competitive than a high-mountain stage.

They are all good in that. I'm not worried, except with WVA.

 

[Cycling111]

I still fail to understand why on Earth he should follow Jorgenson. Even more important what kind a threat he would be

Jorgenson finished eighth last year, not even close to sixth behind Landa.

There's a huge gap between Jorgenson and what Roglic was in the mountains.

And knowing that, Visma wants to win the Tour with Vingegaard. Imagine Vingegaard's wife if they were to consider winning the Tour with Jorgenson. But it's not realistic, unless Jorgenson has taken six steps forward in one year.
Vingegaard at least finished second in 2021, far behind Pogacar, but at least second. Jorgenson finished far behind Landa, even.

 

[SHAD0W93]

You know they did on purpose 2 days ago when they did this today.
Guilt at his best!

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What was this showing? It doesn’t work anymore.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I really don’t think they can allow Jorgensen into the break and this is one of 3 total guys they need to attend to carefully.

Well they have to, Pog can't close Jorgenson for 2 weeks in a row. That would give Jonas the upper hand

 

[scribers]

The only serious threat Jorg poses tomorrow in GC terms is UAE chasing that break all day and wasting Kj. Just stick to the guy until a break is formed

 

[Peyroteo94]

What was this showing? It doesn’t work anymore.

A Visma rider catching the UAE bag to give it to a UAE rider.

 

[scribers]

A Visma rider catching the UAE bag to give it to a UAE rider.

Small samples don’t prove anything. Riis of all people has a lot to say on the issue.

 

[skippo12]

Jorgensson could be five minutes ahead of Pog after tommorrow and still wouldn't be a threat. Too many hard mountain finishes left. It's all about Vingegaard. No one else matters.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Jorgensson could be five minutes ahead of Pog after tommorrow and still wouldn't be a threat. Too many hard mountain finishes left. It's all about Vingegaard. No one else matters.

The problem is Vingegaard being able to follow Pogacar and Matteo is ahead in the GC

 

[Jan the Man]

Yes - whereas Jorgensen is no real threat practically in GC., why would you risk giving a strategic advantage

 

[Peyroteo94]

Visma will go crazy tomorrow. I think they know Pogacar is superior in the high mountains so they have to try in this type of terrain when Matteo is still close in the GC. I just hope Pogacar doesn't take the bait and UAE is strong enough to control the race.

 

[Jack_89]

Jorgenson finished eighth last year, not even close to sixth behind Landa.

There's a huge gap between Jorgenson and what Roglic was in the mountains.

And knowing that, Visma wants to win the Tour with Vingegaard. Imagine Vingegaard's wife if they were to consider winning the Tour with Jorgenson. But it's not realistic, unless Jorgenson has taken six steps forward in one year.
Vingegaard at least finished second in 2021, far behind Pogacar, but at least second. Jorgenson finished far behind Landa, even.

As long as Pogacar isn't stronger than Jonas, there won't be any threat. Are you seriously trying to compare Roglic to Jörgenson? Please. There are two levels of class between the two. Record numbers still count for something, even in the tactical implications of teams. Jorgenson's only usefulness will be if Pogacar is dropped in a long-range attack by Jonas.

Breaking news (for everyone). In 2022, Pogacar lost not because he was 1 vs. 3/4, but because he was significantly inferior to Jonas in the high mountains and overall too

 

[yaf2]

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I mean this guys🤣

 

[Peyroteo94]

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I mean this guys🤣

I'm curious to see how will we have big time gaps in the GC.
Ben Healy will wear yellow tomorrow.

 

[scribers]

Visma might lengthen the gap to Almeida tomorrow. I don't see UAE allowing any other scenario

 

[theyoungest]

Visma might lengthen the gap to Almeida tomorrow. I don't see UAE allowing any other scenario

The gap to Almeida will become infinitely big tomorrow, since he has abandoned the race. Which is too bad as he was Pogi's strongest helper... but in the end it won't really matter if Pogi is as strong as he has been for quite some time now.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The gap to Almeida will become infinitely big tomorrow, since he has abandoned the race. Which is too bad as he was Pogi's strongest helper... but in the end it won't really matter if Pogi is as strong as he has been for quite some time now.

Stage 11 will also have a climb very steep in the end so let's see if Pogacar can drop Vingegaard there or will just wait for Narvaez to pace.

 

[scribers]

Stage 11 will also have a climb very steep in the end so let's see if Pogacar can drop Vingegaard there or will just wait for Narvaez to pace.

Being 1 minute behind Vingo/visma will need to set the pace