The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to
In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.
Thanks!
el chava said:No successive mountain stages. As Sean Yates declares in the CN interview no one will attack if they know they will pay for it the next day. And in these days they most likely will.
Maybe one extra rest day as well.
You skipped most recent Giros and Vueltas?King Boonen said:Basically every GT I can remember.
Bardamu said:You skipped most recent Giros and Vueltas?King Boonen said:Basically every GT I can remember.
So, you are basically just a troll now. If you didn't like Giro 2015, I wonder why you watch road racing and GTs in generalKing Boonen said:Bardamu said:You skipped most recent Giros and Vueltas?King Boonen said:Basically every GT I can remember.
No.
Valv.Piti said:So, you are basically just a troll now. If you didn't like Giro 2015, I wonder why you watch road racing and GTs in generalKing Boonen said:Bardamu said:You skipped most recent Giros and Vueltas?King Boonen said:Basically every GT I can remember.
No.
SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
What sort of races do you like? (I'm new here so don't know everyone's viewpoints yet )King Boonen said:SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
I'm unhappy with races where the winner can usually be picked beforehand or when they aren't even 50% over. Races that need crashes or mechanical failures to make them exciting annoy me and generally I find that the racing in GTs is extremely conservative and predictable. We are constantly promised a real race yet it is almost never delivered. There are of course exceptions, there was some hyperbole in my initial statement, but in general that's how I feel. I watch them for the spectacle but that's it.
Of course I'm aware that my views are probably a minority on here, but I can still air them. If people don't like them they are free to ignore me![]()
Hadn't thought about this angle. What's stopping someone's Jersey marketing subsidiary from depositing x amount of money into the Virgin Island account of a rider's Panamanian image rights' holding company? This is cycling, after all. Wouldn't single out Russian teams, I don't see someone like Vino even going through that much trouble. He'd might just find Astana a new wet-bag sponsor.SKSemtex said:As somebody said here Salary cap wound't change it. There is no way russian teams would play it Fair.
I actually agree completely with your criteria, so in some sense, all the GTs are falling short of the standard we both wish they had. Especially the Tour.King Boonen said:SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
I'm unhappy with races where the winner can usually be picked beforehand or when they aren't even 50% over. Races that need crashes or mechanical failures to make them exciting annoy me and generally I find that the racing in GTs is extremely conservative and predictable. We are constantly promised a real race yet it is almost never delivered.
The Barb said:Unfortunately for the spectacle Froome is the best climber, best time trialler (of the GC contenders) and has the best team; so it has become quite pedestrian.
However, people seem to forget how tedious the Indurain era was. The Armstrong era (with a couple of exceptions, mostly 2003) wasn't great either. The good old days really weren't that good.
King Boonen said:SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
I'm unhappy with races where the winner can usually be picked beforehand or when they aren't even 50% over. Races that need crashes or mechanical failures to make them exciting annoy me and generally I find that the racing in GTs is extremely conservative and predictable. We are constantly promised a real race yet it is almost never delivered. There are of course exceptions, there was some hyperbole in my initial statement, but in general that's how I feel. I watch them for the spectacle but that's it.
Of course I'm aware that my views are probably a minority on here, but I can still air them. If people don't like them they are free to ignore me![]()
Bardamu said:What sort of races do you like? (I'm new here so don't know everyone's viewpoints yet )King Boonen said:SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
I'm unhappy with races where the winner can usually be picked beforehand or when they aren't even 50% over. Races that need crashes or mechanical failures to make them exciting annoy me and generally I find that the racing in GTs is extremely conservative and predictable. We are constantly promised a real race yet it is almost never delivered. There are of course exceptions, there was some hyperbole in my initial statement, but in general that's how I feel. I watch them for the spectacle but that's it.
Of course I'm aware that my views are probably a minority on here, but I can still air them. If people don't like them they are free to ignore me![]()
SeriousSam said:I actually agree completely with your criteria, so in some sense, all the GTs are falling short of the standard we both wish they had. Especially the Tour.King Boonen said:SeriousSam said:So are you unhappy with the very idea of 3 week stage races with the winner usually determined by climbing and time trialing prowess? What else could possibly cause you to dislike them all?
I'm unhappy with races where the winner can usually be picked beforehand or when they aren't even 50% over. Races that need crashes or mechanical failures to make them exciting annoy me and generally I find that the racing in GTs is extremely conservative and predictable. We are constantly promised a real race yet it is almost never delivered.
The difference between us, I suppose, is that I've re-anchored my expectations and call those GTs 'good' that deliver the most even if ultimately they don't deliver much. Though the decisive twist in this year's Giro was brought about by a crash, the uncertainty over who would win preceding that crash was still much greater than it typically is for the Tour (as my graphs show).
The Hegelian said:I agree. One day races on good parcours are simply far more interesting and a purer expression of what road racing is all about. i.e. good road cycling is premised on a bit of unpredictability and chaos. GT's since the Ferrari days have literally been reduced to a scientific formula - they're a matter of controlling the variables and implementing the formula. Add in mega-rich teams who can truly control most of the variables and you're basically watching a bank running a science lab. It would be easier and cheaper just to get drones to do it. Yeah - why not just automate the whole tdf circus? Complete the evolution.
Okay last bit = my hyperbole.
Had some good moments in the Giro, and the Vuelta will no doubt give us something. But nothing like this years PR.
Bavarianrider said:Pantani_lives said:Top 10 of the worst GTs:
1. Tour 2005
2. Tour 2004
3. Tour 2003
4. Tour 2002
5. Tour 2001
6. Tour 2000
7. Tour 1999
8. Tour 2016
9. Tour 2015
10. Tour 2013
Those who haven't seen the Tour before 1999 simply have no idea what this race is supposed to look like. Back then you didn't know beforehand who was going to win. When Rominger or Chiappucci attacked, Indurain had to chase them down by himself, dropping Bugno in the process. There was suspense for yellow in the mountain stages of the final week. There was a sportive battle between individuals.
Since 1999 this race has been killed by US Postal and their carbon copy Team Sky. When five of the ten best climbers are in the same team it's like watching a bad movie, when you secretly hope that one of the bad guys is going to win but you know it's not going to happen. Henao, Poels and Landa are cowards. If they were the leader of another team this race might be worth watching. If one rich team can buy all of them to become helpers of the "hero" it turns the Tour de France into bad entertainment, unbearable to watch.
Seriously dude, what the hell are yo smoking? :surprised: If you didn't even like the 2003 Tour, maybe road cycling simply is the wrong sport for you.