Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[carton]

Come to think about it, at least he kept pace on the descent. Back on track in that respect. So there's that.

 

[Tonton]

I just watched the stage: it wasn't a strong Tibopino today...for sure. Yes, on a bright note, the descending was very good. But you have to click on all cylinders if you want to be a factor at this level. Not all is lost. Man, the Doumoulin fans must be a lot more disappointed: their favorite may have lost the Giro because he was taking a dump...yikes...

It's only sport. No one died. When I see what happened yesterday in the UK, let's put things in prospective.

Now there's no more calculations to be made. Gather yourself up Thibaut: four more days in the mountains, one ITT, a lot of things can happen. It's not over.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Best case scenario is a podium now (well I think it always was). Even if Dumoulin loses a bunch of time for whatever reason at some point, I think Zakarin is the superior rider at this point. I mean, top-5 isn't all that bad, certainly not when you haven't had that much success lately in GT's, but I know people (Tonton) hoped for more. Thats why the stage win in Bergamo would have been sweet, but I guess he was gassed and Bob Froome was hard to beat in that sprint - still, the famous track sprinter Nairo Quintana finished second, so it was doable.

 

[lenric]

Re:

Best case scenario is a podium now (well I think it always was). Even if Dumoulin loses a bunch of time for whatever reason at some point, I think Zakarin is the superior rider at this point. I mean, top-5 isn't all that bad, certainly not when you haven't had that much success lately in GT's, but I know people (Tonton) hoped for more. Thats why the stage win in Bergamo would have been sweet, but I guess he was gassed and Bob Froome was hard to beat in that sprint - still, the famous track sprinter Nairo Quintana finished second, so it was doable.

Certainly not a good argument for Pinot to be considered a better GC rider than Bardet.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Best case scenario is a podium now (well I think it always was). Even if Dumoulin loses a bunch of time for whatever reason at some point, I think Zakarin is the superior rider at this point. I mean, top-5 isn't all that bad, certainly not when you haven't had that much success lately in GT's, but I know people (Tonton) hoped for more. Thats why the stage win in Bergamo would have been sweet, but I guess he was gassed and Bob Froome was hard to beat in that sprint - still, the famous track sprinter Nairo Quintana finished second, so it was doable.

Certainly not a good argument for Pinot to be considered a better GC rider than Bardet.

Not an argument the other way either. It isn't as if Bardet has ever seriously threatened to do better than grab a podium at a GT himself.

 

[lenric]

Re: Re:

Best case scenario is a podium now (well I think it always was). Even if Dumoulin loses a bunch of time for whatever reason at some point, I think Zakarin is the superior rider at this point. I mean, top-5 isn't all that bad, certainly not when you haven't had that much success lately in GT's, but I know people (Tonton) hoped for more. Thats why the stage win in Bergamo would have been sweet, but I guess he was gassed and Bob Froome was hard to beat in that sprint - still, the famous track sprinter Nairo Quintana finished second, so it was doable.

Certainly not a good argument for Pinot to be considered a better GC rider than Bardet.

Not an argument the other way either. It isn't as if Bardet has ever seriously threatened to do better than grab a podium at a GT himself.

You are right. However, he has a podium against a far better competition than Pinot's. And his results, GC-wise, have been following an upwards trend, contrary to Pinot's.

 

[Tonton]

Feel free to begin a Pinot vs. Bardet if you wish . It is not this thread.

I know that in July I won't be trolling the Bardet thread when (not if) he faces his own issues. Trend? Bardet has done NOTHING this year. He got second at the Tour because everybody was conservative. Good for him, he took his chances. Well deserved.

I wish Bardet the best. I'm not one attacking other riders to make my guy look better. I wish that more posters on this forum were like me. That's hard to find unfortunately.

It's a long way to Milan. We saw today that **** happens . It's not over. On Sunday, we'll draw conclusions. Pinot will fight. That's all I'm asking for. Podium? Still a possibility.. Stage win? Still a possibility. It's wayyyyyy too early to throw him under the bus.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Best case scenario is a podium now (well I think it always was). Even if Dumoulin loses a bunch of time for whatever reason at some point, I think Zakarin is the superior rider at this point. I mean, top-5 isn't all that bad, certainly not when you haven't had that much success lately in GT's, but I know people (Tonton) hoped for more. Thats why the stage win in Bergamo would have been sweet, but I guess he was gassed and Bob Froome was hard to beat in that sprint - still, the famous track sprinter Nairo Quintana finished second, so it was doable.

Certainly not a good argument for Pinot to be considered a better GC rider than Bardet.

Not an argument the other way either. It isn't as if Bardet has ever seriously threatened to do better than grab a podium at a GT himself.

You are right. However, he has a podium against a far better competition than Pinot's. And his results, GC-wise, have been following an upwards trend, contrary to Pinot's.

It follows a trend if you only use a sample of two races! Look, Bardet's second in the Tour is better than Pinot's third, sure. Pinot's palmares are generally better than Bardet's though. They are two guys of similar level and similar aspirations and really nobody has much basis for assuming that one will eventually reach his aspirations and the other won't.

 

[lenric]

Feel free to begin a Pinot vs. Bardet if you wish . It is not this thread.

I know that in July I won't be trolling the Bardet thread when (not if) he faces his own issues. Trend? Bardet has done NOTHING this year. He got second at the Tour because everybody was conservative. Good for him, he took his chances. Well deserved.

I wish Bardet the best. I'm not one attacking other riders to make my guy look better. I wish that more posters on this forum were like me. That's hard to find unfortunately.

Sure and I honestly agree, hence my apologies for posting off-topic insights. However, you could have set the example and done it yourself. Also the reason why I'm ending my part on this conversation here, but I'll gladly continue it on another thread.

(agree with Bardet being an absolute 0 this year though)

It's a long way to Milan. We saw today that **** happens . It's not over. On Sunday, we'll draw conclusions. Pinot will fight. That's all I'm asking for. Podium? Still a possibility.. Stage win? Still a possibility. It's wayyyyyy too early to throw him under the bus.

It's still to early to rule out a podium (as it was still too early to say that Dumoulin had the Giro in the bag... today showed us again that a high probability doesn't mean a certainty). But his climbing performance has been somewhat subpar compared to Dumoulin's and Zakarin's (and Pozzovivo's by the way).

 

[jaylew]

Feel free to begin a Pinot vs. Bardet if you wish . It is not this thread.

I know that in July I won't be trolling the Bardet thread when (not if) he faces his own issues. Trend? Bardet has done NOTHING this year. He got second at the Tour because everybody was conservative. Good for him, he took his chances. Well deserved.

I wish Bardet the best. I'm not one attacking other riders to make my guy look better. I wish that more posters on this forum were like me. That's hard to find unfortunately.

Sure and I honestly agree, hence my apologies for posting off-topic insights. However, you could have set the example and done it yourself. Also the reason why I'm ending my part on this conversation here, but I'll gladly continue it on another thread.

To be fair, we compare riders in just about every other rider's thread so there's nothing really nothing wrong with a little of it as long as it doesn't become the focus of the thread.

I tend to be more of a Bardet guy but I don't think you can really come to any definitive conclusions re: the two at this point. Maybe you could if Pinot falters in this Giro and Bardet podiums at the Tour, but I kind of doubt either of those things will happen.

In any case, I like what Pinot's done this season. He seems different somehow.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Back in the Game. Hopefully this time he crushes the TT. Also excellent support by SB

 

[lenric]

Nice ride today. He really needs to keep working on his consistency.
His form still varies a lot during GTs.

 

[Tonton]

Brave ride Tibopino.

Thibaut still is in the mix. I hope that he finishes strong.

Very good day for Il Grandissimo Tibopino.

 

[Simurgh]

Looked weak again to me, especially in the start of the climb, but might just be his diesel-driven legs that needed some time to get up to speed, because he did pretty well at the end, even though he was let go by the favourites. Cautiously optimistic for the coming days! He's close to the podium, even though the top 3 has shown themselves so strong, that I don't really expect them to lose their podium spots, unless one experiences an unlikely off-day.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Smart ride. Hope Dumoulin will race again to control Quintana and Nibali without dropping them.

Reichenbach is one on the absolute best domestiques around here. Beast.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Expectations go up again = he will under perform tomorrow.

 

[46&twoWheels]

Pinot about to win the Giro while Dumoulin is having a verbal fight with Quintana and Nibali

"coming soon"

 

[SafeBet]

I think Thibaut has a chance to podium. I'm sensing a kamikaze attack from Nibbles on Saturday and he could benefit from it.

 

[DNP-Old]

He could very well be winning this race if this Dumo vs. Nibali/Nairo thing is getting personal. No-one seems to care about little Thibaut, while he's so close.

 

[movingtarget]

Smart ride by Pinot with more bonus seconds as well.

 

[yaco]

Looked average on the climbs but worked into the race - He's been consistent in this GT.

 

[lenric]

Re:

Expectations go up again = he will under perform tomorrow.

:lol:

 

[Tonton]

Whatever happens happens .

It's not the best Tibopino, but he's facing a 90% Quintana, a pooped Dumoulin, a past his prime NIbali, so who knows. He's had bad days after the rest day...all the FDJ riders did. maybe there's something to say about that.

Il Grandissimo Tibopino, cappo di tutti Coppi (like Fausto) will give all he's got.

 

[IndianCyclist]

All he has to do now is keep his head and try sneak attacks and let the Nibali Quintana TD polemic play itself out.

 

[Charly_Gaul]

He has dissapoint me a lot. He was riding for the 4° place yesterday battling with Zakarin and Pozzovivo. What? This is not a Tour de France podium league.
0 attacks until the last 2/3 kilometers...

Ok, you don't have the legs, but wheres the winner attitude? Try for the stage... try to test Nibali's condition, and Quintana's after his wasting energy.

Nothing.

It's not the same ambitious and attractive rider to see of previous years.