Thomas Dekker like you've never seen him before

[blackcat]

dont be sirree <Oriental pidgin silly> black france

 

[biopass]

So no plans to come back clean then.

He'll be clean, the JV way that is.

 

[blackcat]

from the Brit school of humour deadpan

 

[Dead Star]

I believe that, while Cecchini may have a shady past, his involvement in doping nowadays (the last 10 years) has been non-existent.

Cecchini is to Dekker what your favorite uncle is to you. If you understand what I'm saying. They don't talk about training and cycling etc. Just life.
Cecchini's son Stefano is one of Dekkers closest friends.

Anyway read his book and a lot more becomes clear.

The main goal is coming back at Garmin.

You still keep in touch with him?

 

[Spine Concept]

You still keep in touch with him?

I think most of what he said can be read in his book. He also talks about his relationship with Cecchini in the documentary. The latter also makes a cameo in the documentary when he arranges a private clinic for Dekker to operate - or do a check-up - of his knee. At one point, Cecchini takes him home after his operation and he says that he will bring him breakfast (?) later. That proves that their relationship is more than just about an alleged common interest in doping affairs.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

last time i spoke to Thomas was in february, seemed pretty relaxed at the time.

Anyway when reading the book many of my (and many others) suspicions and doubts i had about him when i did his website have been confirmed. Including the time I thought he started doping (especially 2008), and at the same time becoming suspected by the UCI because in 2008 the blood values started to make really no sense at all anymore. They even told him before TdS in 2008 that he couldn't ride because "you're 99,99% suspect to us at the moment". But legally in the end they couldn't prevent him riding.

Rabobank also noticed and asked him several times what he was doing but he wouldn't tell. In the end they split and at Silence he made a new start after realizing he couldn't go on like this (Garmin ran away at seeing his blood values after the deal was almost done in 2008!). But the clean start came too late, UCI wouldn't let go of a rider that is 99,99% suspected and kept digging and found the december 07 sample.

Also noted on the comeback trail Vaughters and Garmin-Cervelo play a big role.

 

[blackcat]

last time i spoke to Thomas was in february, seemed pretty relaxed at the time.

Anyway when reading the book many of my (and many others) suspicions and doubts i had about him when i did his website have been confirmed. Including the time I thought he started doping (especially 2008), and at the same time becoming suspected by the UCI because in 2008 the blood values started to make really no sense at all anymore. They even told him before TdS in 2008 that he couldn't ride because "you're 99,99% suspect to us at the moment". But legally in the end they couldn't prevent him riding.

Rabobank also noticed and asked him several times what he was doing but he wouldn't tell. In the end they split and at Silence he made a new start after realizing he couldn't go on like this (Garmin ran away at seeing his blood values after the deal was almost done in 2008!). But the clean start came too late, UCI wouldn't let go of a rider that is 99,99% suspected and kept digging and found the december 07 sample.

Also noted on the comeback trail Vaughters and Garmin-Cervelo play a big role.

that is deluded Im sorry.

If Oscar Sevilla says he started at 16, Geneviève Jeanson can dope at 16, the lowlands have their preparatores on every corner, why was this pathological liar ever ever ever clean.*


*ok, I appreciate the logical fallacy, but the rhetoric stands. get your head out of you a$$ and have the journey to Syria before Bashar al-Assad smites the protesters in the capital. dBrower meets u in Damascus with a signed Floyd journey, oops, mean jersey

 

[Roninho]

... The way in which he said that and the loon on his face made it very clear that Dekker was on the juice much earlier and more often than the claimed one-off EPO-use he got busted for.

He allready admitted that he used epo more then once. It was in the documentary as well.

 

[Spine Concept]

He allready admitted that he used epo more then once. It was in the documentary as well.

This much is true. If I'm not mistaken he says that it was a periodic thing.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

There is something odd about Dekker's case. He is the only rider ever caught by retrospective testing. Why were his samples chosen to be tested?

that's what he's wondering as well

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm sorry, but if he defends Cecchini it's hard to believe that he would be clean this time.

cecchini has nothing to do with dope, even jaksche has said this

 

[Roninho]

that's what he's wondering as well

he actually refers to it in the documentary, saying things like anybody with some common sense can think of some guys that should be retrotested (don't have the actual quote, but something like this).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that is deluded Im sorry.

If Oscar Sevilla says he started at 16, Geneviève Jeanson can dope at 16, the lowlands have their preparatores on every corner, why was this pathological liar ever ever ever clean.*


*ok, I appreciate the logical fallacy, but the rhetoric stands. get your head out of you a$$ and have the journey to Syria before Bashar al-Assad smites the protesters in the capital. dBrower meets u in Damascus with a signed Floyd journey, oops, mean jersey

sevilla has never said he started doping at a16. I don't even think he ever admitted to dope

thomas basically sais if you listen carefully he was doping with dutch guys and I'm 99% sure he is protecting boogerd and rabobank. that's why he got 1 million euros top never talk about it again

 

[blackcat]

sevilla has never said he started doping at a16. I don't even think he ever admitted to dope

thomas basically sais if you listen carefully he was doping with dutch guys and I'm 99% sure he is protecting boogerd and rabobank. that's why he got 1 million euros top never talk about it again

yes he has. Ask Rene @ Cyclingheroes. Dutch journo.

 

[Roninho]

thomas basically sais if you listen carefully he was doping with dutch guys and I'm 99% sure he is protecting boogerd and rabobank. that's why he got 1 million euros top never talk about it again

In his book he says he knows dutch and foreign riders who dope(d). But also that he isn't going to say who they are. It seems to me he is not saying anything to make sure he can get back into cycling and i would not be surprised if the deal with rabo indeed included a no-talk clause.

 

[boomcie]

Very intriguing documentary, I was glued to the screen.
What struck me most is how twisted his views on the world are. How he treats the concept of lying, how he deals with his own character and what he considers to be normal.

He also sounded criminally insane when he talked about the guy that ratted him out. He said the following when the interviewer asked him what he would do if he discovered the identity of this person: "Knowing the world I live in, he would have to look over his shoulder for a while..."

All in all, I just feel sorry for him.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

100% clean team with TD, still strange even for me

 

[Benotti69]

100% clean team with TD, still strange even for me

unbelievable