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auscyclefan94 said:If anyone is bored of talking about AC winning 3 GT's in a year and think it is completely absurd, come watch some ping pong with me!
http://www.fromsport.com/v-0/2/78/v-27806.html
saganftw said:liar,thats table tennis
another LOL for me
ping pong is table tennis in english
how do you know these things. What tests is there you used to come to that conclusion?c&cfan said:
I agree that it is silly to compare riders across generations , but isn't that what you did when you said they couldn't win? I am also not sure that Racing today is demonstrably harder. Certainly it is faster and there are equipment reasons for that, as well as other known factors (better roads surfaces, shorter races (tour de france only three weeks instead of 4 , etc. But harder? again , such statement would have to be measured with specific tools to compare the capacity and will to win of the people you mentioned and as a rule we do not have that type of model or the interest to do that. Research is expensive and generally funded by the possibility of making profits from the results. One thing is sure .. The riders you mentioned to make your comparison were all "tough mothers" and I am sure they would do their best to make it hard to beat them.
PS: Did Eddy passed away and I wasn't invited to the wake? damned mailman always miss my box.
let the poor guy first try to win the giro-tour .. he hasn't yet. I thought that was part of his program for next year. Last giro=tour winner in the same season was a long time agoEl Pistolero said:
c&cfan said:
I am not saying he couldn't , I don't know that. But I like to point out that winning Giro-Vuelta in the same season still means having many months of preparation in between the two races and the time to peek anew, because one is in the spring and the other in fall. Giro-tdf leaves less time but has been done. However more often than not we have seen that doing well at the giro doesn't necessarily means top placing at TDF. Of course there are so many variables (like the level of the competition at the TDF) to consider besides the time in between the two.
Alberto signed a 2 year contract. So if Contador/Riis won't go for the 3 GT's in 2011, that leaves 2012, the year of the London Olympics. Interesting.
One main reason why it was difficult in the past do to the triple in one year was the fact that both Giro and Vuelta were taking place in May.
However, now that the placement of these races in the calendar do not pose an obstacle anymore, I would think that it is highly unlikely that he will achieve it.
The Giro / Vuelta double with time to recover from May to Sep is feasible, as AC proved it. But with the Tour inbetween, it is really impossible.
I personally know a Tour de France Top 10 finisher of the 1980's who has never ever taken anything. No injection, no infusion, no tablets never anything. He told me when really running on bread and water it takes more than a year to recover.
Apart from this, it seems, that the contenders are getting better on a relative basis compared to AC. So if he should do it, what I think is pretty unlikely, he might well deserve to be called the greatest or one of the greatest cyclists ever.
Maybe he might also seriously take on LBL or Lombardia next year...
But another big issue, as already mentioned before, is the team. Had he joined an intact Riis team without the Schlecks, this would not be an issue. But Riis cycling seems to be falling apart. With the exception of FC and Riis, not much is left. So AC finds himself again in a team, where the core has not been riding together for a few seasons... But we will see what money can do...
However, now that the placement of these races in the calendar do not pose an obstacle anymore, I would think that it is highly unlikely that he will achieve it.
The Giro / Vuelta double with time to recover from May to Sep is feasible, as AC proved it. But with the Tour inbetween, it is really impossible.
I personally know a Tour de France Top 10 finisher of the 1980's who has never ever taken anything. No injection, no infusion, no tablets never anything. He told me when really running on bread and water it takes more than a year to recover.
Apart from this, it seems, that the contenders are getting better on a relative basis compared to AC. So if he should do it, what I think is pretty unlikely, he might well deserve to be called the greatest or one of the greatest cyclists ever.
Maybe he might also seriously take on LBL or Lombardia next year...
But another big issue, as already mentioned before, is the team. Had he joined an intact Riis team without the Schlecks, this would not be an issue. But Riis cycling seems to be falling apart. With the exception of FC and Riis, not much is left. So AC finds himself again in a team, where the core has not been riding together for a few seasons... But we will see what money can do...
Dedelou said:
Last giro/tour: Pantani 98, Indurain 92/93, Roche 87, Hinault 82/85
Last vuelta/tour: Hinault 78
With the current calendar (giro, tour, vuelta), I see AC trying first the tour/vuelta. And next year, he won't have to spend the summer looking for a new team
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Marino Lejaratta (sp?) used to ride the triple in the 80's. He would always be top 5, top 10 and then completely nowhere.
With modern "preparation", maybe it's possible...but you'd have the french police searching your stuff constantly for the rest of your career.
With modern "preparation", maybe it's possible...but you'd have the french police searching your stuff constantly for the rest of your career.
Can you imagine how crazy things would get if he managed the Giro/Tour double that's been so hotly debated then said he was going for the Vuelta? And if he did it all in 2012 when he had no contract for the next year? That would be a wild August.
On my earlier post I forgot to mention the allergies that can come into play during the Giro.
On my earlier post I forgot to mention the allergies that can come into play during the Giro.
reyan12 said:another LOL for me
when you explain a joke its not that funny anymore
back on topic
i thought riis is talking about 3 GT in a season but not with one rider (AC)
but ppl on the thread still keep talking about possibility of AC 3GT wins in a season -which is absurd imho
absurd is saying that. you are not talking about LA or andy.saganftw said:when you explain a joke its not that funny anymore
back on topic
i thought riis is talking about 3 GT in a season but not with one rider (AC)
but ppl on the thread still keep talking about possibility of AC 3GT wins in a season -which is absurd imho
you are talking about the best stage racer ever. yes..the guy that starts the season with wins at stage races, goes to the beach, then without preparation wins the giro and after that the vuelta.
after this, how it is absurd?it is dificult, very. but it isn't impossible. absurd?lol
AC is not the kind of guy that only does the tour and nothing else.
armstrong won 7 against medium stage racers. and that's it.
andy did nothing this year and won..a 2nd place.
AC has at least 6 years to win everything..if he founds motivation.
c&cfan said:
medium?
i doubt that
anyway why is absurd to win 3 GT in a season is because nobody will even try to win all 3
some of them already tried.
but any sane person knows that it is extremely dificult. however it isn't impossible for AC to do that.
medium??kloden,beloki, ulrich (after 27), mayo, rumsas, basso (this one was better. however he was never a trully tour cyclist and he was out when he was becoming the strongest.)
you are talking about cyclist that had never won nothing. (ulrich after 27)
yeah. for sure it is below menchov, andy, frank,armstrong, best ever leipheimer, etc etc etc.
but any sane person knows that it is extremely dificult. however it isn't impossible for AC to do that.
medium??kloden,beloki, ulrich (after 27), mayo, rumsas, basso (this one was better. however he was never a trully tour cyclist and he was out when he was becoming the strongest.)
you are talking about cyclist that had never won nothing. (ulrich after 27)
yeah. for sure it is below menchov, andy, frank,armstrong, best ever leipheimer, etc etc etc.
c&cfan said:
if you consider ullrich,beloki,zulle,kloden "medium" oposition i have really no argument here
ulrich after 27 was never the same. he was always starting the tour in no shape. etc.
zuelle was there at the begining of lance's wins, but it was the end for him.
beloki?what have he won?he was never great. not even close.
kloden?a great domestique.
yep. medium.
zuelle was there at the begining of lance's wins, but it was the end for him.
beloki?what have he won?he was never great. not even close.
kloden?a great domestique.
yep. medium.
No, not possible unless you have second rate fields in the Giro/Vuelta who don't have equal preparation.
I think is not impossible... That can be made but that would require a PERFECT preparation and some conditions to make it... as other ppl has said: If someone can make it, is Contador!
Ferminal said:
Besides Andy Schleck everyone is a second rate field against Contador in a 3 week stage race.
Sure it is.rxgqgxnyfz said:
Already did that two times... in Pro cycling manager that is... 1x Contador and 1x some scouted French talent
A sign that it will never happen in real life
Perspective : Contador has never even won 2 GTs in a row. He's always had at least 1 GT on the calendar between each of his wins. Why are we even talking about 3 in a row?
Because Contador never rode 2 GT in a row so you can't say wether he can do that or not.
And if Pantani can win 2 in a row, sure as hell Contador can.
3 is still difficult, but totally impossible? Depends on the field (especially in the Vuelta).
For example, of some strong GC man decide to skip the Tour and enter the Vuelta fresh..
And if Pantani can win 2 in a row, sure as hell Contador can.
3 is still difficult, but totally impossible? Depends on the field (especially in the Vuelta).
For example, of some strong GC man decide to skip the Tour and enter the Vuelta fresh..
I just did it with some French talent and the poor guy (the world's best climber by a very large margin) was practically dead by the time the Vuelta ended. But he still won.Dekker_Tifosi said:Sure it is.
Already did that two times... in Pro cycling manager that is... 1x Contador and 1x some scouted French talent
A sign that it will never happen in real life
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