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TJ Van Garderen's Latest blog, good read

Apr 5, 2010
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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the excellent points TJ has made on his latest CN blog? I don't recall having read, something so simple yet insightful about what goes on in the heads of likely many pro tour riders. I'm impressed with his maturity and candor.

i.e, breaks during the flat days, glad to be bored and recovering on such days in the pack, more medium mtn days to liven up the racing, McQuacks and UCI basically in the stone ages, spending a day in the wind in a break sucks, as well as many other great points of which I won't repeat.

Worth a read.
 
-As if you get a "boring day off" in the HTC train.
-Lance Armstrong going for a win on a "medium mountain stage" - is Teej being funny here? There might have been 80km downhill to Pau, but in terms of climbing it was up there with the Madeleine stage. It was a high mountain stage ruined by the need to finish in Pau.

Showing more starts on TV would be nice, but I don't think it is a big deal. Stages with an early big climb would be good to see, or early pictures of the infamous day to L'Aquila. It's not too practical though as getting live TV to begin with seems to be a problem for many races. I don't want to see the first 50km of a 200km flat stage, watching the break go might be slightly amusing but when you know they are coming back it all seems a bit pointless.

Medium mountain stages can be boring too - at least I found the stage to Gap in last year's TdF boring. This year's T-A showed us that you don't need mountains, you just need something in the last 20km to spice it up, or the last 2km even. You might be happy to wait all day to see a magical finish by Scarponi or Evans, and the anticipation of such a finish makes the rest of the day exciting enough. Likewise if you enjoy sprints, the anticipation of the trains lining up and someone bursting to the line may also be worth the wait.
 
Feb 23, 2011
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Yep its a good blog post but if find this comment a bit of a stretch:

The reason this is different isn't because it's a rider who’s won five Grand Tours, it's because 'what the hell is clenbuterol'? I've never heard if it before now, and the tainted meat thing scares me

Now I can understand the tainted meat thing being a worry for Van Garderen but to claim he has never heard of Clenbuterol? Come on now that is simply insulting the intelligence of his blog reading public. I dont know why he is sitting on the fence when all he has to say is "yeah I have heard of it, it goes on, I have no experience of it, etc etc etc".
 
Apr 14, 2010
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Definitely worth a read yes, but not necessarily because TJ's got it right. He seems to be saying unless the stage is tough enough to be selective, it just won't be good racing. Now i don't believe that is the way it is, or should be the way it is. Get rid of radios and yes, some rouleur stages will still end in sprints, but enough will have successful breakaways that a sprint finish won't be almost automatically expected.

He goes on to talk about how they like easy days, they love pee breaks (!)....and reading further into that i think it's not hard to say they also like only riding as hard as their ds tells them to, and they definitely don't want to have to chase breakaways anymore than necessary...so sorry guys, but your radios need to go, and we ask tour directors to cut the course length if it's too hard, but we don't want to watch a bunch of guys on auto-pilot.

Oh and 'breakaways suck'? This is why Gilbert and Fabian are legends whilst others are mere mortals. Fer crissake, GREIPEL was in a breakaway AND WON.....methinks TJ is protesting like a typical "please make it easy for me" gen Y brat.

And he wants someone with experience making these decisions? Ha, i agree "those old men" are often out of line, but they have all raced, and they've raced without radios. They know what it's like, they CAN compare races with and without radio, can TJ do that? Was he even old enough to get a thrill out of watching races without radio, does he know what that's like? I guess not.
 
Mar 31, 2009
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Better than previous efforts.

TJ still comes across as not being the brightest sprocket on the cassette but this is a better effort than previous blogs. :rolleyes:

However - considering the rash of entertaining, interesting and downright unpredictable results we've seen in just the last couple of weeks I think his arguments for retaining race radios are pretty stupid if seen from the viewpoint of viewers (and that's really the only opinion that counts because it pays TJs salary).
 
Sep 30, 2010
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Yep just want to agree and mention how good of job TJ did- It was a good read and look forward to more. I'm a vegan as well, not that it matters.
 
May 3, 2010
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It's a good read if you ever wonder why the sport is such a mess and you want an example of how ****ed up the moral compass of the peloton is.

Butthead isn't doing very much to refute the idea that HGH only employs moronic knuckle-draggers in its team.

His comments about Contador and Radios are stupid and simplistic. Because we want to see radios banned this means we want crashes? Not even the DS's are using this canard anymore.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Dewulf said:
Definitely worth a read yes, but not necessarily because TJ's got it right. He seems to be saying unless the stage is tough enough to be selective, it just won't be good racing. Now i don't believe that is the way it is, or should be the way it is. Get rid of radios and yes, some rouleur stages will still end in sprints, but enough will have successful breakaways that a sprint finish won't be almost automatically expected.

He goes on to talk about how they like easy days, they love pee breaks (!)....and reading further into that i think it's not hard to say they also like only riding as hard as their ds tells them to, and they definitely don't want to have to chase breakaways anymore than necessary...so sorry guys, but your radios need to go, and we ask tour directors to cut the course length if it's too hard, but we don't want to watch a bunch of guys on auto-pilot.

Oh and 'breakaways suck'? This is why Gilbert and Fabian are legends whilst others are mere mortals. Fer crissake, GREIPEL was in a breakaway AND WON.....methinks TJ is protesting like a typical "please make it easy for me" gen Y brat.

And he wants someone with experience making these decisions? Ha, i agree "those old men" are often out of line, but they have all raced, and they've raced without radios. They know what it's like, they CAN compare races with and without radio, can TJ do that? Was he even old enough to get a thrill out of watching races without radio, does he know what that's like? I guess not.

+100% my exact interpretation of his 'blog'
 
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You should take a walk outside the forum and find it on the home page. Might take 2 or 3 seconds.:rolleyes:

Yeh, I should grow some psychic seeds in the garden. I use the forum, but rarely visit the website. WIll go off on a hunt now.

For those like me who dont visit cn. heres the link
http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/tejay-van-garderen/my-thoughts-on-contador-and-race-radios


And now ive read it. Hes talking complete rot about radios, whats all this about the night time ttt in spain being exciting. I dont beleive that for one minute DZ became vegan because of the contador case, nearly as much as i am slightly perterbed by his became vegan because "but he's ridiculous at times ". Yes, all vegans are ridiculous, no radios are dangerous, and contador, well, he doesnt know.

Hogwash
 
B_Ugli said:
Now I can understand the tainted meat thing being a worry for Van Garderen but to claim he has never heard of Clenbuterol? Come on now that is simply insulting the intelligence of his blog reading public. I dont know why he is sitting on the fence when all he has to say is "yeah I have heard of it, it goes on, I have no experience of it, etc etc etc".

I certainly believe he'd never heard of clenbuterol. I'm no pro cyclist but I hadn't heard of it either. It's not as if it was EPO or testosterone, after all.

I found it a very interesting read as well and think some here are being a bit hard on the guy. I don't agree with everything he wrote but I'm actually a bigger fan of the guy after reading it.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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I certainly believe he'd never heard of clenbuterol. I'm no pro cyclist but I hadn't heard of it either. It's not as if it was EPO or testosterone, after all.

I found it a very interesting read as well and think some here are being a bit hard on the guy. I don't agree with everything he wrote but I'm actually a bigger fan of the guy after reading it.

I concur here...I will continue to pull for him!
 
Feb 16, 2011
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I was pleasantly surprised by the blog, too. Not the usual whiny stuff a la David Millar. He is auspiciously bereft of the annoying custom of haughty certainty that so many professional athletes share. Sounds like an alright kinda guy. Anyone know what he's like in person?

He might be being a bit disingenuous about clenbuterol. A pro athlete not knowing the score? I guess it's possible if not likely.
 
Or maybe he'd heard of clenbuterol but had no idea what effect it would supposedly have and how one might take it.

It's like the Xavi Tondó thing again - he said he had no idea if he could believe Contador's story, but he was sometimes afraid to eat beef just in case Contador was right.
 
Jul 2, 2009
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He might be being a bit disingenuous about clenbuterol. A pro athlete not knowing the score? I guess it's possible if not likely.

It all depends in what circles he's moved in. If you believe that there's doping in all teams then it's disingenuous, but if there's not, then it's an obscure drug to those who are clean.

As an analogy. The world over has sports fans who are interested in many sports. Now in India, Australia, South Africa or the UK, if you asked the question 'Who is Shane Warne?' you would get the answer that he's a legend, one of the all time greats. Ask it in France, Brazil or USA and the answer is 'Who?'.

You only know what you are exposed to. Your knowledge is a product of your culture. Plenty posters in the clinic section, who eat, drink and sleep doping, needed to google it.


But back to the blog. I found it entertaining and open. I look forward to more from TJ. Talking about his feelings on the issues. It's better than the usual bland 'I'm training, I'll be doing this race, my team are great' stuff.
 
Apr 5, 2010
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Dewulf said:
He goes on to talk about how they like easy days, they love pee breaks (!)....and reading further into that i think it's not hard to say they also like only riding as hard as their ds tells them to, and they definitely don't want to have to chase breakaways anymore than necessary...so sorry guys, but your radios need to go, and we ask tour directors to cut the course length if it's too hard, but we don't want to watch a bunch of guys on auto-pilot.

Oh and 'breakaways suck'? This is why Gilbert and Fabian are legends whilst others are mere mortals. Fer crissake, GREIPEL was in a breakaway AND WON.....methinks TJ is protesting like a typical "please make it easy for me" gen Y brat.

And he wants someone with experience making these decisions? Ha, i agree "those old men" are often out of line, but they have all raced, and they've raced without radios. They know what it's like, they CAN compare races with and without radio, can TJ do that? Was he even old enough to get a thrill out of watching races without radio, does he know what that's like? I guess not.

My apologies for not having posted a link to the original article I referenced.

It's painful to read how some can berate him for expressing his opinion. One might not agree with all he states but there are just too many bench experts being too harsh. One interesting feeling I take from this most recent blog is the honest way in which he states how glad he is for the easier days and the breaks throughout. Rather than beat his chest and glamorize or glorify what he does, he appears to be someone that's not too macho to describe how difficult the days can be and the seemingly little things we don't often hear about in the pro peloton that brings relief.
I'm not sure if your mentioning his comments regarding the lulls in racing and pee breaks as being a *** but how many 35 hour weeks have you put in on a bike, much less at race pace? Now multiply that for 3 weeks in a row. I would assume the statistical probability of that is fairly low- so how would you know how difficult it is what these guys are doing? Not that making the stages shorter or the stage races easier would eradicate doping but it might go a bit towards reducing the problem.
I also feel that it's exactly this mentality of "get to work and ride and stop whining because we can sit here in our UCI referee car or office and dictate how far and how long you must ride and race to serve the spectacle" that pushes the riders beyond reasonable physical limits- DAY after DAY. Oh.. but wait, you must just suffer because we did it in our day, only twice as far and with glass shards in our shorts. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard an old timer tell me how many hours a day they've spent on a bike with only half a hard baguette to eat all day and a glass of water to drink, I'd be rich.

Greipel? He is one of the most protected riders in the peloton and saved for the sprints. How many other races can you cite where he has been in a break and worked much less won? Very few if my recollection serves me right. He has not had much luck lately in the last several races winning bunch sprints so perhaps he thought he would try something different. Good on him. But using him, Gilbert, and Cancellera as examples of breakaways is in my opinion, quite the lack of understanding of how those races unfold. Gilbert and Fabian are the type of riders who attack deep into a race and only at points where there has been a lot of attrition and racing in the legs and at key locations such as a small berg late in a race in a classic. Such are points in the race where no matter what a team or other riders do, there's just not enough horsepower left to chase or catch on. That's not a breakaway in my book.

I will agree that not having a DS telling a team what to do and exactly how many kph they need to ride per km to catch a break 3 km from the finish does make for more successful breakaways and perhaps more exciting racing. But I also believe that the guys in the races probably have a more experienced perspective and more reasons for than against and that fact alone leads me to believe that the riders are the ones who should decide whether they should have them.

Please inform me as to the last race Pat McQuaide participated in with a race radio (as you claim he CAN compare) since the best I can find was that he was a pro for only 2 years and I'm not seeing that race radios were used in racing in 1979 around the time he last competed. While you're at it, please inform me as to the races TJ competed in on the US National team or prior where he did use race radios, since your implication is he "can't" compare.

Here's an errand thought that's a little off topic but relates to the UCI and their immense experience. Imagine what our bikes or components would look like if the good ole boys who are so wise at the UCI were to get out of the stone ages. The standard bike/frame we might ride everyday might look like the classic Lotus bike rather than a double diamond frame that the regulations stipulate. Bars, wheel design, literally the bicycle as we know it, even down to the commuter you see locked up at the local train station is essentially being held hostage to the current UCI regulations and a frame design that is essentially 100 years old. Hard to imagine that isn't it?
 
jaylew said:
I certainly believe he'd never heard of clenbuterol. I'm no pro cyclist but I hadn't heard of it either. It's not as if it was EPO or testosterone, after all.

Just proves he's a kid who doesn't know his cycling history. Like Hushovd. ;)

This is what Abdu does to kids who don't know their cycling history:

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