Tom Danielson

[ScienceIsCool]

I've never created a new thread before, so please bear with me.

To quote CyclingNews new article: "...riders within the sport made the decision years ago to change the sport and you guys are all writing about that now... And the reason why the riders have changed the sport and the reason why we're talking about it now is to make sure it never, ever happens again. That if your kid gets on a bike and dreams about being a professional cyclist he'll never have to make a bad decision ever again. If he wants to be a professional cyclist he knows this is a great sport for him, great for his body, great for his family, great for his fans."

Wow.

Mr Danielson. When did the riders make this decision? Was it during a retreat at Tenerife? What did you decide? Was it consensus? Who was present?

As to the rest: nothing has changed. If it has, please tell me what, when and how it has changed. Who changed it? Why did you change it?

This article makes me angry. Mr Danielson has enefitted personally from criminal behaviour and wants to tell you that although he needed to take dangerous drugs to make it, your kids don't need to. Trust him and get your kids into the cesspool of cycling. It'll be good for them. Honest.

Look: "we want our bad-*** sport to be a great sport for everybody: professional athletes, aspiring professional athletes, kids, parents, everybody."

Seriously ****ed at Tom Danielson,
John Swanson

PS - How much did you earn as a pro cyclist?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Insufficient data for correlation, but look at the team he is on.

 

[blackcat]

will anyone make the call on Wiggins?

I hear some birds chirping. but not much else.

so, even if Wiggins aint a pr!ck like Armstrong, he is still winning via means Armstrong used.

Either the sport lays it on the table. Allows this. Overtly, it approves it publicly. Transparency which was amiss in the Armstrong epoch, or, we have to discern, that SSDD.

Philippe Gilbert as posterchild? For what? Adult acne? Come on folks. Smell the ride for the roses. It stinks like $hit

 

[blackcat]

Insufficient data for correlation, but look at the team he is on.

if this is a proverb from the great, More Glorious Than Hookers And Blow, much respect.

All hail the glory that is MGTHB and Captain T Bag.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

if this is a proverb from the great, More Glorious Than Hookers And Blow, much respect.

All hail the glory that is MGTHB and Captain T Bag.

No. I did stats at uni. It's simply stating a fact.

 

[BroDeal]

Mr Danielson. When did the riders make this decision? Was it during a retreat at Tenerife? What did you decide? Was it consensus? Who was present?

I doubt it was at Tenerife because evidently Sky missed the meeting.

I would like to know when this agreement supposedly took effect. Dr. Ferrari's business does not seem to have been affected. None of these guys had a problem with Armstrong trying to dope his way to a Tour win in 2009 and 2010.

I am also having a hard time believing they did it for the children.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is a clever variation on "cleanest peloton ever.". Working the kids in was brilliant. This is clever PR. Either tom has a second career making excuses for scumbags or Pat's PR hire is paying off!

I think cycling is great for kids, but the uci's system is run by and for reinforcing amoral predators. Take a bow TD!

How about all those clean riders you cheated to stay in the system? What about them?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I've never created a new thread before, so please bear with me.

To quote CyclingNews new article: "...riders within the sport made the decision years ago to change the sport and you guys are all writing about that now... And the reason why the riders have changed the sport and the reason why we're talking about it now is to make sure it never, ever happens again. That if your kid gets on a bike and dreams about being a professional cyclist he'll never have to make a bad decision ever again. If he wants to be a professional cyclist he knows this is a great sport for him, great for his body, great for his family, great for his fans."

Wow.

Mr Danielson. When did the riders make this decision? Was it during a retreat at Tenerife? What did you decide? Was it consensus? Who was present?

As to the rest: nothing has changed. If it has, please tell me what, when and how it has changed. Who changed it? Why did you change it?

This article makes me angry. Mr Danielson has enefitted personally from criminal behaviour and wants to tell you that although he needed to take dangerous drugs to make it, your kids don't need to. Trust him and get your kids into the cesspool of cycling. It'll be good for them. Honest.

Look: "we want our bad-*** sport to be a great sport for everybody: professional athletes, aspiring professional athletes, kids, parents, everybody."

Seriously ****ed at Tom Danielson,
John Swanson

PS - How much did you earn as a pro cyclist?

Great post here ,john, as it pretty exactly sums up my feelings when I read the article.
I've been disgusted at the PR coming out of the Danielson/Dempsey duo re exclusive camps and cushy lifestyles....made possible by doping.

I'm not seeing much in the way of penance or shame for what he did to be a successful cyclist.

Bad taste

 

[thehog]

TommyD is my hero. For this article I hope JV gives him a raise.

Go Tommy! Go JV!

The sport is so much better for the both of you.

 

[BroDeal]

Can't these guys' suspensions apply to talking to the press as well as racing. The least they could do is STFU for a few months.

 

[ElChingon]

Can't these guys' suspensions apply to talking to the press as well as racing. The least they could do is STFU for a few months.

Maybe they'll tack on a few more months now.

 

[wirral]

I note the full article gets in at least 3 separate charities that he is supporting as well as promoting his book and cycling camps. The cycling camps double as a charity. That's pretty much the full hit:-

Reference to Confession
Self-congratulations for his own bravery and vision at changing the sport for the better
Book
Charity Work
Promotion of Business Interests
No negative comments about anyone else

Very good PR

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/suspended-danielson-continues-to-be-a-spokesperson-for-cycling

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Can't these guys' suspensions apply to talking to the press as well as racing. The least they could do is STFU for a few months.

Did Tommy D say anything until he was suspended for being a cheating, lying doper?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Danielson is squeezing every cent out of his doping career.
Clean? Never. Once an EPO and blood doper always.......

 

[Cloxxki]

Danielson is squeezing every cent out of his doping career.
Clean? Never. Once an EPO and blood doper always.......

Wasn't there some research done, concluding that after you're off EPO, you end up dependent on it to merely reach your clean top form? If that could be formalized, then riders get to explain how they were not only failing to lose form after the magical go-clean, but also how they did not disappear into the amateur ranks.

Absolutely sickening the level of insults these riders spew in all directions, hitting fans, sponsors, clean competitors and regulators.

 

[bobbins]

So the UCI wouldn't let Valverde attend his team launch a few days before his ban was up yet Danielson has carried on as if his ban never existed.

 

[martinvickers]

Wasn't there some research done, concluding that after you're off EPO, you end up dependent on it to merely reach your clean top form? If that could be formalized, then riders get to explain how they were not only failing to lose form after the magical go-clean, but also how they did not disappear into the amateur ranks.

Absolutely sickening the level of insults these riders spew in all directions, hitting fans, sponsors, clean competitors and regulators.

Sorry, what insults? I didn't see anything from Danielson that was 'insulting'. self-serving, no doubt, but insulting? AS Wirral said only moments ago:

Reference to Confession
Self-congratulations for his own bravery and vision at changing the sport for the better
Book
Charity Work
Promotion of Business Interests
No negative comments about anyone else

Very good PR

so, could you clarify please?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Wasn't there some research done, concluding that after you're off EPO, you end up dependent on it to merely reach your clean top form? If that could be formalized, then riders get to explain how they were not only failing to lose form after the magical go-clean, but also how they did not disappear into the amateur ranks.

Don't know about any research, but guys such as Vandevelde delivered some of his best results after he stopped with the doping (according to himself). Danielson continues to impress with solo wins and solid TT'ing. Now watch Dekker lose weight in '13 and suddenly discover form and fly over the mountains while setting the pace in the critical TT's, all squeaky clean.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Now watch Dekker lose weight in '13 and suddenly discover form and fly over the mountains while setting the pace in the critical TT's, all squeaky clean.

2kg of muscle
2kg of fat

increase in absolute power.

According to JV.

Must find the bit where someone was *****ing that JV likes to hire riders with "ambition", and it rubs some of the not so ambitious riders the wrong way...

 

[sniper]

Sorry, what insults? I didn't see anything from Danielson that was 'insulting'. self-serving, no doubt, but insulting? AS Wirral said only moments ago:



so, could you clarify please?

Apparently you would not feel insulted if somebody tells you the Twin Towers didn't collapse, and that you're just imagining things.

 

[martinvickers]

Apparently you would not feel insulted if somebody tells you the Twin Towers didn't collapse, and that you're just imagining things.

So it's an 'implied' insult, is that right? It's an implied insult to say something you happen to disagree with...

And the fact that the current peleton continues to dope massively is as objectively verifiable, and as emotionally resonant, as the collapse of the twin towers?

That's your argument?

good luck with that.

 

[Benotti69]

Danielson is not worth a thread in the clinic. He will like this. He had to dope to get a ride as a pro. He is still doping.

 

[sniper]

...
And the fact that the current peleton continues to dope massively is as objectively verifiable, and as emotionally resonant, as the collapse of the twin towers?...

I'm actually unhappy to bring the Twin Towers into any equation, so I'll drop that.

But to say that the peloton made an agreement a couple of years ago to stop doping?
Yes, that has empirically been shown to be a false statement. If I mention Contador, Armstrong, Schleck, Vino, Padova, Barredo, Leinders, Cycling Australia, Bruyneel, Riis, Astana, etc., then we have a nice mixture of empirical and circumstantial evidence against Danielson's claim.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

So the UCI wouldn't let Valverde attend his team launch a few days before his ban was up yet Danielson has carried on as if his ban never existed.

And yet again the media portray him and other banned riders as some sort of heroes. Shouldnt levi be banned for life, this is a second offence, no? Reading CN you would think Omega are the bad boys for sacking his lyin ***. Odd.

 

[Deagol]

As a former Tommy D fan, I read this article on was pretty blown away. I think the people he is insulting is us, the fans.

The claims made by some that he doped right at the start of his career seem more believable to me now. And I don't believe Rick when he says he never doped TD, and I used to know him. It seems all the wost elements of human nature are well represented in competitive cycling and it sucks..

Plus 1 on all these other riders like Hincapie who only said what they had no choice to say after making a $hit-ton of money being part of the lie now acting like martyrs. It's amazing how low my opinion of many of these pro cyclists has fallen in the last few years. I know there are others who are probably a larger part of the problem, and these pros are the ones arrogant/stupid/unlucky/etc. enough to be talking to the media like this.

On one hand, we could think anyone spewing stuff like this is stupid; because to those of us paying attention, it seems so moronic. One the other hand, though, they are probably laughing all the way to the bank. So the ones that seem perhaps the most foolish are the well-healed fans willing to pay X number of thousands of dollars to hang out with these guys for a few weeks and pretend they are pro.