Tondo's accident

[luckyboy]

Seriously what the **** is this thread

 

[sniper]

Ok, sorry for being rude, but I live in the same town as Beñat Intxausti, and Tondo rode in Amateurs in the same team as me (albeit a year or two later), so people around here know him. The details are there, it was a freak accident that people are still comming to terms with. Lets just hope Beñat gets through this one...

I see. Yeah, heavy stuff, and I do understand that looking for conspiracies is rather disrespectful towards Intxausti and his family.

 

[GotDropped]

Is it clear yet if Tondo was training with Piti or not? Initial articles said he was, then he wasn't and the one quoted above refers to Piti training while Tondo goes to get his car.

From: http://tinyurl.com/3zxse8f

Ocurrió temprano por la mañana en Sierra Nevada, donde estaba concentrado junto a su compañero Beñat Intxausti. Perfilaban su forma de cara al Tour, el primero de ambos. El día en el edificio Alfa, cerca de Pradollano, había amanecido antes para Alejandro Valverde y José Joaquín Rojas, que desayunaron, se vistieron y tiraron para abajo, hacia Granada. Tenían cinco horas de entrenamiento. Dos menos, Xavi y Beñat. Por eso, habían decidido bajar en coche. Se ahorraban el tiempo del descenso y, sobre todo, el del ascenso. Habían quedado en encontrarse a las 10.30. Nunca sucedió.

TRANSLATION:
It occured early in the morning in Sierra Nevada, where he (Tondo) was staying with his teammate Beñat Intxausti. They were sharping their form before the tour, the first for both of them. The day in the Alfa building, near Pradollano, started earlier from Alejandro Valverde and José Joaquín Rojas, who had breakfast, got dressed and hit the road, towards Granada. They had 5 hours of training ahead of them. Two hours less for Xavi and Beñat. For that reason, these two decided to go by car. They saved the time on the descent, but above all, the accent. They were supposed to meet up at 10:30. It never happened.

 

[Mambo95]

If gangsters want someone dead, they just shoot them. They don't concoct elaborate schemes involving garage doors. It was a horrible accident - and that is that.

 

[GotDropped]

I see. Yeah, heavy stuff, and I do understand that looking for conspiracies is rather disrespectful towards Intxausti and his family.

I apologise for being rude... this is the clinic after all.

One of my old directors (a retired man in his 70s) was crying today while he was explaining to me how he knew Xavier. Pointing to his face in the newspapers saying... "I can't believe it was him, always smiling". As I said before... Beñat lives in the same town as me, although personally I don't know him, but many people here do. Many people will be afected for a very long time. I glad they don't read the clinic.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Given only a rudimentary explanation of how it happened I can see why some may find a conspiracy (especially given Tondó's recent history), but not only is an elaborate garage door scheme unlikely when there are much easier ways to fashion an "accident", but the more detailed descriptions of the incident make it clear that this was simply something that could happen to anybody if they were unlucky enough. Unfortunately, Xavier Tondó was sadly unlucky enough that it did.

 

[The Hitch]

If gangsters want someone dead, they just shoot them. They don't concoct elaborate schemes involving garage doors. It was a horrible accident - and that is that.

I agree that it was just an accident, but you need to read more espionage thrillers Frederick Forsyth is good.

I think these "accidents" have happened on occasion but for stuff much higher up then doping and not some elaborate schemes involving cars and garage doors.

Also what's Benats roll supposed to be in all this. A 22 year old rider supposed to be behind the murder of his own friend because of doping??

 

[GotDropped]

Given only a rudimentary explanation of how it happened I can see why some may find a conspiracy (especially given Tondó's recent history), but not only is an elaborate garage door scheme unlikely when there are much easier ways to fashion an "accident", but the more detailed descriptions of the incident make it clear that this was simply something that could happen to anybody if they were unlucky enough. Unfortunately, Xavier Tondó was sadly unlucky enough that it did.

You're right (in reference to the conspiracy), and for that reason I have apologised for my rudness. Seeing people I know physically moved by this has hit home. I just wanted to make it clear that it was indeed just a freak accident and for that reason I translated the texts from the local newspapers.

 

[GotDropped]

Can we close this thread and let the guy RIP?

 

[sniper]

I agree that it was just an accident, but you need to read more espionage thrillers Frederick Forsyth is good.

I think these "accidents" have happened on occasion but for stuff much higher up then doping and not some elaborate schemes involving cars and garage doors.

Also what's Benats roll supposed to be in all this. A 22 year old rider supposed to be behind the murder of his own friend because of doping??

we can all go to bed now and agree that it was a freak accident.
which is exactly why i do think it was a good idea to briefly discuss it afterall.
else rumors may have remained floating in the air.

Can we close this thread and let the guy RIP?

you got the final say. RIP Xavier.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Given only a rudimentary explanation of how it happened I can see why some may find a conspiracy (especially given Tondó's recent history), but not only is an elaborate garage door scheme unlikely when there are much easier ways to fashion an "accident", but the more detailed descriptions of the incident make it clear that this was simply something that could happen to anybody if they were unlucky enough. Unfortunately, Xavier Tondó was sadly unlucky enough that it did.

Sadly agreed.

My appologies for starting this thread.

And I can only wish all things good to his family and friends. This has to be almost unbearable for them, and I feel disgust at myself for shooting my mouth off before reading all the facts and posting prematurely - and potentially in poor taste.

JMBeau.

 

[Andynonomous]

Remember threats against Fuentes ?

My initial suspicion is that it was just an accident.

However, Fuentes did receive death threats if he spoke out. Spain has A LOT to lose in this "golden age of sport".

People do desperate things when they have something to hide (Hincapie better increase his life insurance).

 

[The Hitch]

Fair enough then. I deleted a post I made after I saw you edited the post I was replying to, but I didn't see your newest post when I wrote that.

Tondo and Intxausti were taking the car to meet with Valverde, Samu and (I think) Barredo and join them in a training ride.

Samu trains with Valverde. Now thats interesting.

 

[Mambo95]

I agree that it was just an accident, but you need to read more espionage thrillers Frederick Forsyth is good.

I used to love Forsyth when I was a bit younger (I still have five books in sight on the shelf as I type).

Later, I moved onto Carl Hiaasen (all books on the same shelf) who put the ludicrous in it's proper context.

 

[ElChingon]

Well the cast of characters he was going to ride with doesn't quite completely add up to me. Based on his history and recent heroisms.

Freak accident for sure but freaky circumstances as well.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

OK, so Valverde is Valverde. Barredo has become vilified (possibly unjustly so) thanks to his perfect 10 score on the UCI passport list. But Intxausti? Sánchez? Rojas (who has also lost his brother in a tragic car accident 15 years ago)?

And does it really matter who he was riding with? Two of those guys are his teammates, and one is somebody who is associated with his team.

 

[usedtobefast]

the best, always make it look like an accident. the weirder the better,eh? i give it a 50/50.

 

[MacRoadie]

I just PM'd a mod to get this thing closed.

Now if everyone just goes off to other threads in the meantime, it will die a quiet (and long-overdue) death...

 

[GotDropped]

Well the cast of characters he was going to ride with doesn't quite completely add up to me. Based on his history and recent heroisms.

Freak accident for sure but freaky circumstances as well.

I'll be rude again... WTF are you talking about? We was going riding with Valverde, Rojas and Intxausti... all Movistar Team mates. (We all know Valverde is training with the team). So, what doesn't add up there?

 

[hrotha]

I'll be rude again... WTF are you talking about? We was going riding with Valverde, Rojas and Intxausti... all Movistar Team mates. (We all know Valverde is training with the team). So, what doesn't add up there?

Adding to that, it was a team thing, that's why they all were in Sierra Nevada. Altitude training and all that.

 

[The Hitch]

OK, so Valverde is Valverde. Barredo has become vilified (possibly unjustly so) thanks to his perfect 10 score on the UCI passport list. But Intxausti? Sánchez? Rojas (who has also lost his brother in a tragic car accident 15 years ago)?

And does it really matter who he was riding with? Two of those guys are his teammates, and one is somebody who is associated with his team.

To take this thread off topic (probably a good idea), Samu has been the number 1 defender of Contador in his doping scandal.

He was rather quick to say after the positive test that he knows Contador is clean.

Since then hes developed a jens_attacks style "let him ride" argument, repeatidly protesting that Contador should be allowed to ride simply because it wouldnt be fun without him saying " a tour without contador is like a Rolland Garros without Nadal".

Doesnt mean hes doping but he certainly doesn't seem to have any problems with the idea of dopers getting away with it. For a guy who would be on the podium in last years tour (his dream) if it wasnt for dopers.

 

[Anonymous]

Everyone, STFU.

http://tinyurl.com/3szqydt

http://tinyurl.com/3zxse8f

FROM SECOND URL:
Mientras Rojas y Valverde pedaleaban, Tondo e Intxausti bajaron al garaje y montaron en el coche, la Renault Space del catalán, que conducía. Lo sacaba marcha atrás, sin darse cuenta de que la puerta del garaje, que se abría de fuera hacia adentro, se había atascado. Escucharon un ruido y se bajaron ambos. La puerta de Xavi se quedó abierta. Y el freno de mano sin echar. Nadie se explica cómo, pero el vehículo cayó hacia atrás y el cuello de Tondo quedó atrapado entre las dos puertas. No está claro si la muerte fue inmediata o porque se desangró.

Translation:
While Rojas and Velverde where riding, Tondo and Intxausti when to the garage and got in the car, the Renault Space owned by the catalan (Tondo) who was driving. He was reversing out, without realising that the garage door, which opened from outside to inside, was stuck. They heard a noise and both of the got out of the car. Xavi's door stayed open, and the park brake was not activated. No-one can explain how, but the vehicle rolled backwards and Tondo's neck got stuck between both doors. Now one is sure if the death was immediate, or if he bled to death. (then they go on to talk about the autopsy which will be done today).

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So Beñat Intxausti was there, and saw everything, and is devastated. So let's stop talking BS. It was a freak accident that could happen to anyone.

That sounds like a freak accident, and I am not sure how someone would plan for such a thing if it were intentional. That account makes sense, and this all sounds like a horrible tragedy.

 

[Altitude]

The guys he busted were PED dealers, not Goodfellas. Get real.

 

[Bala Verde]

since we are running out of tin foil hats on this forum, and we don't want to put further pressure on the price of aluminium in these economic hard times,

thread closed