Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 14: Annemasse - Morzine, 151.8k

[peterfin]

Yet he lost more time to Hindley yesterday. A lot of time to make up. and his TT is not much better.

Simon's TT is in fact a lot better, especially on hilly/mountain terrain.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I think tables will turn and TJV will set an attack with WVA in front waiting for Pogi to be dropped penultimate climb. UAE will probably be on defensive. But as always I can be very wrong

WvA will drill it from the get go, shred JV and UAE but not all of them, leaving Vingegaard only with Kuss to really react to anything on Ramaz. The lack of controll by will lead of to attacks to which Vingegaard for will respond, as he has been responding so far even when it was stupid. So Kuss will be used, and Vingegaard will be left so chase S. Yates and T. Pidcock alone on the way to Joux Plane. Meanwhile Pogacar has spend no extra energy responding to anything just sitting on Vingegaards wheel, seemingly uninterested in the 1;30 gap. Reluctantly Vingegaard exepts that only Hindley is willing to help. At the foot of the Joux Plane Pogacar attacks.

 

[Bolder]

Would either Pog or Vingegaard attack on Ramaz? It's not that crazy as there's a steep bit just around 4 km to go. In theory no one else should help pull so it could be mano a mano for the rest of the stage. That scenario would depend on one of the two being isolated by that point. Unlikely, I know, but still...

More likely is the actual action happens on Joux Plane, because it's easier to make an attack stick. I've ridden that descent a few times and it's not a place you want to try to make up time...

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Simon's TT is in fact a lot better, especially on hilly/mountain terrain.

It can be a lot better, let's not start trying to predict what Simon Yates might do.

 

[Miha81]

WvA will drill it from the get go, shred JV and UAE but not all of them, leaving Vingegaard only with Kuss to really react to anything on Ramaz. The lack of controll by will lead of to attacks to which Vingegaard for will respond, as he has been responding so far even when it was stupid. So Kuss will be used, and Vingegaard will be left so chase S. Yates and T.Pidcock alone on the way to Joux Plan. Meanwhile Pogacar has spend no extra energy responding to anything just sitting on Vingegaards wheel, seemingly uninterested in the 1;30 gap. Reluctantly Vingegaard exepts that only Hindley is willing to help. At the foot of the Joux Plan Pogacar attacks.

That would be epic

 

[tobydawq]

The most memorable thing about the 2016 Tour de France probably was that massive uphill sprint between Kittel & Coquard.


Tells a lot.

Montpellier and Mont Ventoux.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Would either Pog or Vingegaard attack on Ramaz? It's not that crazy as there's a steep bit just around 4 km to go. In theory no one else should help pull so it could be mano a mano for the rest of the stage. That scenario would depend on one of the two being isolated by that point. Unlikely, I know, but still...

More likely is the actual action happens on Joux Plane, because it's easier to make an attack stick. I've ridden that descent a few times and it's not a place you want to try to make up time...

Given what happened on stage 6, this wouldn't be too surprising. Certainly there is a possibility for another epic.

 

[tobydawq]

I actually disagree. Oddly enough I think the 2016 was both incredibly bad and had extremely iconic moments. Froomes Peyresourde descent, the Sagan-Froome crosswind attack and Froome running up the Ventoux were all extremely memorable. The problems are:

- I can never forget that whole Peyresourde thing only happened because Quintana let a tiny gap open up, refused to close it again himself, looked around and saw that nobody even remotely cared. Credit to Froome for making that attack but that stage said as much about him as it did about the patheticness that was the 2016 gc battle.

- Froome running up the Ventoux could have been one of the most iconic cycling moments of all time but it was not. Because when you look at the results you see that it never happened. The story of that day was completely detatched from the story of that Tour. A little joke on the side which had no impact on the actual story. Enjoyable while it lasted, forgetable in the great scheme of things.

- Ok Froome and Sagan riding away from the peloton was actually great.

- Those 3 moments were somewhat memorable but that was it. There was like one more okayish mountain stage and the rest was absolutely horrible. Just three weeks of riders striding along in the Sky train.

Sagan almost single-handedly beating the who's who of best one-day riders of the time in the break on the Revel stage only to finally be beaten by Orica-Greenedge's superior numbers was also a great moment. Then you think he would be tired the next day, but alas, off with Froome and Geraint Thomas in the crosswinds he went.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Damn 33 degrees at the bottom of Ramaz, I hope something will happen there. Could be one of those days...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not a single rainy day. Vingegaard is blessed.

 

[RedheadDane]

Not a single rainy day. Vingegaard is blessed.

In the Alps? Or for the rest of the race?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Today will be a big day in the KOM classification, I expect another big fight for the breakaway.

 

[Cookster15]

Didn't Bert Grabsch initially"launch" him by grinding 63x11 at 56rpm ?

I hope 63x11 is a typo?

 

[Escarabajo]

Who do you consider the podium contenders for the assumed 3rd spot on podium to be? Anyone within 3 minutes of Hindley? 4 minutes?

All up to Pidcock.

 

[Andy schleck]

Not a single rainy day. Vingegaard is blessed.

It feels like summer.

 

[Rackham]

I always assumed today was the most pivotal day & I think that's what we'll see. Joux Plane is such a nasty climb, so time gaps can be enormous (with a technical descent as well where any over exuberance can end badly).

We're going to see whether all the theories & narratives floating around regarding which types of stages, climbs & weather suit which rider better even matter, or whether it's all just a collection of circumstantial factoids haphazardly plucked from a small sample of previous races & what really matters is who has the best legs on the decisive day - not who has better 'stats' on multi col stages like pro cycling is a video game which can be reduced down to statistics & mathematical certainties.

I think whomever has more energy on Joux Plane will drop the other. No matter any preconceived notions or beliefs about their respective strengths.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Today will be a big day in the KOM classification, I expect another big fight for the breakaway.

Well I hope so, nothing much since the early stages fun.

 

[search]

Well I hope so, nothing much since the early stages fun.

Poels will finally enter the battle now, he said

 

[meat puppet]

I hope 63x11 is a typo?

It was just a literary device, but apparently Grabsch was fond of big dinner plates:

https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/2ytcss

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/2ytcss/which_pro_rider_uses_the_largest_front_chain_ring/

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Pidders to take it all today - if he's within 25 secs on last top.
Since we all know that Gentleman Vingo waits for his best friend being in troubles.
And Pogi will be in troubles when Vingo blasts past him after chasing first couple of hundred meters after Jeux Plane top.


*edit*
OK, at first writing ment to be a(nother) bad joke from here. But thinking again, not a completly preconceived scenario if Vingegaard doesn't have the guts going from from the distance, and UAE manages to hold it all together for a 1.5k Pogi move to Col de Jeux Plan top, betting it all on eating a few seconds like a mite eats a carrion from the inside.

 

[search]

before the Tour, Pidcock said that Mäder's accident would have an influence on him when going down a climb. His descent from the Tourmalet was still pretty good, but I guess it remains to be seen, if he is still able/willing to take the same risks as last year.

 

[Bonimenier]

Latour will reach the summit of the Joux Plane first with an advantage of 2 mins and eventually cross the line 34th 10 mins after the winner Pidcock.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Dispointegration Stage. A Joux Plan Stage should be hard before the Joux Plane. IT much rather have less mountain stages but those fewer ones should be really hard. Would make a much mor exciting race

 

[Lequack]

You can watch the pre-race podium signings and stuff live:

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1lPJqBBDQenxb

 

[topcat]

I still maintain the Giro was better than the race we’re witnessing now. Who wants to watch the two best gt riders (by a city kilometre) duke it out, attacking every second day, the lead switching hands and nobody knowing who will win. The tour might be decided today or the fun might go on and on. I’m not a fan of either rider but it’s been a great race so far. And what makes it interesting when Pog sprints away from Vinnie is the quality of the rider he’s putting seconds into. I’m enjoying all the theories of why Pog/Vinnie is going to win-a lot of these with a certain amount of logic. I expect one of them to crack hard one day and lose the tour. Which one? I dunno and that’s the beauty of it.