Cookster15
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Congrats to Philipsen and MvDP for a great win. When MvDP pulled over Philipsen still had plenty of work to do, and he managed to hold 70km/h and take the win. Impressive.
Is there a thread on this? Not sure sprint stages are getting more and more dangerous, e.g. Jalabert's massive crash in 94 was typical.When will the UCI make the sprint stages less dangerous? They are getting more and more dangerous by the year. What is the point of GC teams having to sprint to the line @ 70+ kmh without having a sprinter?
He already has it. Armstrong’s results are completely and utterly expunged from recorded history. Any of his so-called “results” are simply meaningless in terms of comparisons.Riders from United States with the most KOM sprint wins in Tour de France since 1981.
# RIDER KOM WINS BETWEEN YEAR(S) 1 ARMSTRONG Lance 15 1995-2005 2 POWLESS Neilson 10 2020-2023 3 HAMILTON Tyler 4 1998-2003
Powless at least on the road to glory with the most TdF KOM wins as an American with those pointless early stage attacks.
Jasper go faster.So Jasper-disaster strikes again! (he won the previous sprint stage at the Tour - Champs Elysees last year).
Maybe it's worth considering changing his nickname i.e. to Jasper-not-only-disaster
Here’s hoping he keeps following Bol then.Cavendish top 5 I believe, he can’t follow Bol to break the record.
I see him more as a mother hen just making sure the chicks are doing okay and are in order. YMMV, of course.Pog having some main character syndrome
Managed to come in with the main bunch so no time lost. His teammate Bjerg on the other hand came in with his 2 Danish buddies at 2min 40 seconds down.Trentin seems to be suffering and taking it easy at the back of the peloton.
Fair actually. The statistic I cite here has Lemond with 2 but I can't tell you which unfortunately.He already has it. Armstrong’s results are completely and utterly expunged from recorded history. Any of his so-called “results” are simply meaningless in terms of comparisons.
Powless most likely only had to beat Lemond, who only has one that I know of: Super Bagneres in 1986.
And I agree with your point. However, wearing the polka dots even for a few days is now a safer way to be sure to achieve some sort of goal in the biggest race in the world, rather than waiting for the possibility of something better further on. So much can happen. Look at Mas and Carapaz. Not as huge a fan of GTs any more as they seem to take over a rider’s entire season almost and then suddenly they can be done after 1 or 2 stages.Fair actually. The statistic I cite here has Lemond with 2 but I can't tell you which unfortunately.
Point is - I still think Powless tends to waste a lot of energy very early on when he probably is strong enough to win different stages later on with way higher chances (middle mountain for sure, maybe even high mountain).
I agree. But there is also the context of the French media squeezing French riders and DS’s for every and any possible quotes and insider dirt. L’Equipe devoted 4 full
Not if you go by his DS. Lmao what an absolute clown, they finally get their win and this is what comes to his mind because his rider "wasted" his energy in a one minute effort?
Trying hard to prove that these 15 years of not winning weren't just about being unlucky lol
"We have to admit that the finish was indeed not straight, that is obvious," said course builder Thierry Gouvenou to Sporza.
"The people of Bayonne had first made 2 other proposals, both of which I refused, because it would be too dangerous. In the end, we landed on their 3rd proposal."
"It's true that that finish wasn't ideal, but I think there are more crashes with a straight finish than with a curve. We shouldn't reason too strictly. Straight finishes are no guarantee for no crashes."
Gouvenou also subtly notes: "They didn't crash at all yesterday, which is quite rare for a first bunch sprint in the Tour."
How do you find space for a finish in a big city?
"In this case it was just not possible to finish on a straight. You also have to take into account that we need different technical zones and space for the public at the finish. So you need enough space. People don't think that so fast."
"We could also have driven to a city further on, where it might have been safer. But the riders might not have taken that after 2 tough stages in the Basque Country."
In the Tour they still use the wafer-thin nadar fences at the finish. That, among other things, ensured that Wout van Aert hit someone from the audience in full sprint.
Nevertheless, the wider fences of, among others, the Belgian company Boplan are not an option, says Gouvenou. "Each country has its own means of providing security."
"We invest heavily in signaling and the other safety measures are also improving every year. Our resources are at least as good as those of Boplan."
But wouldn't those thicker fences increase the distance between the riders and the public and thus make it safer for the riders? "Maybe. But if you want to make your entire final with that kind of closure, then you need 6 to 7 extra trucks. We also have to think about our ecological footprint."
In any case, the finish of the stage in Bayonne seems to be at odds with the ambitious SafeR safety plans that were unfolded last Friday. "I'm part of the SafeR working group," says Gouvenou. "But for now these are just ideas, the plans have yet to be concrete. Only then can you draw conclusions about whether it works effectively."
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Parcoursbouwer over finish van gisteren: "Een rechte lijn is niet veiliger, integendeel" | sporza
De finale van de 3e rit in de Ronde van Frankrijk oogstte heel wat kritiek bij zowel de renners als de wielervolgers. Was het niet onverantwoord om helemaal op het einde nog een bocht te leggen? Parcoursbouwer Thierry Gouvenou legt uit waarom dat niet anders kon.sporza.be
So where should the finish-line have been placed exactly, which road? Would that have all the space that is needed?Thierry Gouvenou technical director at ASO responded to the feedback from riders, and media outlets on why they did a sprint in a corner. His response is so classic ASO:
There was so much wrong with yesterdays finish. Finish in a corner which isn't even allowed according to UCI rules, the fences were placed ridiculously bad, and the fences aren't safe, just buy Boplan, we know you have the money for it. Next time just say: "You are correct we'll do better next time", instead of trying to justify this. Also UCI should fine them.
Jakobsen said after the race that there was a decent finish 500m further. Or don't do it in a town where it's just not possible?So where should the finish-line have been placed exactly, which road? Would that have all the space that is needed?
I've had a look on the map of Bayonne, and I can see why it was difficult find a good finish.
Then the bend ends with 100 m to go, and the last 200 m are downhill. You can continue an additional 800 m further by that road, but then the finish is no longer near the city center.Jakobsen said after the race that there was a decent finish 500m further. Or don't do it in a town where it's just not possible?
As if that’s representative for all races in general…And as we saw today, nothing is more dangerous than wide straight roads.
And apparently in case of the ASO money is more important than rider’s safety. Doesn’t surprise me because ASO is a *** organisation, and I’ll always call them out when there’s an opportunity to do so.It's a commercial affair for everyone involved. Of course it's about money.
And in the case of the riders, money is more important than riders' safety. No *** ***.And apparently in case of the ASO money is more important than rider’s safety. Doesn’t surprise me because ASO is a *** organisation, and I’ll always call them out when there’s an opportunity to do so.
Oh right it’s their fault. Why even create a more safe environment to sprint in? Why not make it more dangerous? Maybe more people will watch and the sport will earn more money due to tv rights?And in the case of the riders, money is more important than riders' safety. No *** ***.