Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 3: Amorebieta-Etxano - Bayonne/Baiona, 193.5k

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When will the UCI make the sprint stages less dangerous? They are getting more and more dangerous by the year. What is the point of GC teams having to sprint to the line @ 70+ kmh without having a sprinter?
Is there a thread on this? Not sure sprint stages are getting more and more dangerous, e.g. Jalabert's massive crash in 94 was typical.

Jalabert crash 1994 TdF
 
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Riders from United States with the most KOM sprint wins in Tour de France since 1981.

#RIDERKOM WINSBETWEEN YEAR(S)
1ARMSTRONG Lance151995-2005
2POWLESS Neilson102020-2023
3HAMILTON Tyler41998-2003

Powless at least on the road to glory with the most TdF KOM wins as an American with those pointless early stage attacks.
He already has it. Armstrong’s results are completely and utterly expunged from recorded history. Any of his so-called “results” are simply meaningless in terms of comparisons.

Powless most likely only had to beat Lemond, who only has one that I know of: Super Bagneres in 1986.
 
He already has it. Armstrong’s results are completely and utterly expunged from recorded history. Any of his so-called “results” are simply meaningless in terms of comparisons.

Powless most likely only had to beat Lemond, who only has one that I know of: Super Bagneres in 1986.
Fair actually. The statistic I cite here has Lemond with 2 but I can't tell you which unfortunately.

Point is - I still think Powless tends to waste a lot of energy very early on when he probably is strong enough to win different stages later on with way higher chances (middle mountain for sure, maybe even high mountain).
 
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Fair actually. The statistic I cite here has Lemond with 2 but I can't tell you which unfortunately.

Point is - I still think Powless tends to waste a lot of energy very early on when he probably is strong enough to win different stages later on with way higher chances (middle mountain for sure, maybe even high mountain).
And I agree with your point. However, wearing the polka dots even for a few days is now a safer way to be sure to achieve some sort of goal in the biggest race in the world, rather than waiting for the possibility of something better further on. So much can happen. Look at Mas and Carapaz. Not as huge a fan of GTs any more as they seem to take over a rider’s entire season almost and then suddenly they can be done after 1 or 2 stages.
 

Not if you go by his DS. Lmao what an absolute clown, they finally get their win and this is what comes to his mind because his rider "wasted" his energy in a one minute effort?
Trying hard to prove that these 15 years of not winning weren't just about being unlucky lol
I agree. But there is also the context of the French media squeezing French riders and DS’s for every and any possible quotes and insider dirt. L’Equipe devoted 4 full
Pages to Lafay’s win (which given Cofidis breaking their duck is I suppose understandable). I’m watching on French broadcast TV instead of French Eurosport for the 1st time, and I’m amazed (and disappointed) how different the post-race show is on TV. They show fewer replays and much less race analysis and diagramming of the finale (usually by Jackie Durant on Eurosport) than on Eurosport, and much more chatting. Of course it could be that my French is not good enough to catch all their comments, while it’s easier to follow specific race analysis.
From What I read here it’s probably not that different in Belgium or Italy during the biggest races there, but it sure is intense coverage.
 
Thierry Gouvenou technical director at ASO responded to the feedback from riders, and media outlets on why they did a sprint in a corner. His response is so classic ASO:

"We have to admit that the finish was indeed not straight, that is obvious," said course builder Thierry Gouvenou to Sporza.

"The people of Bayonne had first made 2 other proposals, both of which I refused, because it would be too dangerous. In the end, we landed on their 3rd proposal."

"It's true that that finish wasn't ideal, but I think there are more crashes with a straight finish than with a curve. We shouldn't reason too strictly. Straight finishes are no guarantee for no crashes."

Gouvenou also subtly notes: "They didn't crash at all yesterday, which is quite rare for a first bunch sprint in the Tour."

How do you find space for a finish in a big city?
"In this case it was just not possible to finish on a straight. You also have to take into account that we need different technical zones and space for the public at the finish. So you need enough space. People don't think that so fast."

"We could also have driven to a city further on, where it might have been safer. But the riders might not have taken that after 2 tough stages in the Basque Country."

In the Tour they still use the wafer-thin nadar fences at the finish. That, among other things, ensured that Wout van Aert hit someone from the audience in full sprint.

Nevertheless, the wider fences of, among others, the Belgian company Boplan are not an option, says Gouvenou. "Each country has its own means of providing security."

"We invest heavily in signaling and the other safety measures are also improving every year. Our resources are at least as good as those of Boplan."

But wouldn't those thicker fences increase the distance between the riders and the public and thus make it safer for the riders? "Maybe. But if you want to make your entire final with that kind of closure, then you need 6 to 7 extra trucks. We also have to think about our ecological footprint."

In any case, the finish of the stage in Bayonne seems to be at odds with the ambitious SafeR safety plans that were unfolded last Friday. "I'm part of the SafeR working group," says Gouvenou. "But for now these are just ideas, the plans have yet to be concrete. Only then can you draw conclusions about whether it works effectively."


There was so much wrong with yesterdays finish. Finish in a corner which isn't even allowed according to UCI rules, the fences were placed ridiculously bad, and the fences aren't safe, just buy Boplan, we know you have the money for it. Next time just say: "You are correct we'll do better next time", instead of trying to justify this. Also UCI should fine them.
 
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Thierry Gouvenou technical director at ASO responded to the feedback from riders, and media outlets on why they did a sprint in a corner. His response is so classic ASO:



There was so much wrong with yesterdays finish. Finish in a corner which isn't even allowed according to UCI rules, the fences were placed ridiculously bad, and the fences aren't safe, just buy Boplan, we know you have the money for it. Next time just say: "You are correct we'll do better next time", instead of trying to justify this. Also UCI should fine them.
So where should the finish-line have been placed exactly, which road? Would that have all the space that is needed?

I've had a look on the map of Bayonne, and I can see why it was difficult find a good finish. And he is right. Twist and turns that make it difficult to move up make it far safer, whereas big straight roads allows far more chaos. Sure, the last 250-300 m should preferably be as straight as possible, but wide bends and curves before that is a good thing.
 
So where should the finish-line have been placed exactly, which road? Would that have all the space that is needed?

I've had a look on the map of Bayonne, and I can see why it was difficult find a good finish.
Jakobsen said after the race that there was a decent finish 500m further. Or don't do it in a town where it's just not possible?
 
Jakobsen said after the race that there was a decent finish 500m further. Or don't do it in a town where it's just not possible?
Then the bend ends with 100 m to go, and the last 200 m are downhill. You can continue an additional 800 m further by that road, but then the finish is no longer near the city center.

And as we saw today, nothing is more dangerous than wide straight roads.
 
And as we saw today, nothing is more dangerous than wide straight roads.
As if that’s representative for all races in general…

I don’t know why it needs to be close to the city center, unless you feel rider safety is less important than money for ASO.

I hope Safer isn’t a fart in a bottle and is actually able to change something. Because it definitely won’t come from ASO and the UCI directly.