Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 10: Orléans > Saint-Amand-Montrond, 187.3km

[tobydawq]

Congratulations to Jasper Philipsen for winning the stage and to Mathieu van der Poel for providing a perfect lead out.

Peloton self neutralized and all agreed they need an additional rest day, that shows on just how hard first week was. On top of that a rather perfect answer to being treated like a circus animal, as fans for sure would rather have them ride cobbles today. A rather demanding stage coming up tomorrow so all focus already on that.

Let me guess that you have this opinion because the stage didn't suit Primoz Roglic.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I read this in Leave it To Beaver

As it should be read.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Let me guess that you have this opinion because the stage didn't suit Primoz Roglic.

Probably more because there are still no collarbone protectors even on the gravel, which in turn would suit Primoz Roglic.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Let me guess that you have this opinion because the stage didn't suit Primoz Roglic.

It would have if Bora ever got the leadout right.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Let me guess that you have this opinion because the stage didn't suit Primoz Roglic.

No. I already said that two days back, Rogla is good on gravel and i have no issues if he decides to ride Strade Bianche again in the future. On a GT though, there should be no place for gravel. The reason being it's a lottery, when it comes to punctures and mehanicals and as such it shouldn't have such big influence on the outcome, when it comes to general classification. It's not justifiable.

Probably more because there are still no collarbone protectors even on the gravel, which in turn would suit Primoz Roglic.

Again no, i explained on multiple occasion Rogla is a good bike handler. It's due to crashes and especially injuries pandemic ongoing in the pro peloton, that needs to get addressed. Obviously not by fans, as fans would instead rather make the peloton ride cobbles today. Riders are now starting to change their opinion, valuing their own safety, and teams are starting to back them. Likely due to huge amount of money lately being introduced into pro peloton. For teams it has just become economically unsustainable, to have their superstars injured. So finally they are now pressing on governing bodies, such as UCI, to do something. Fans will be fans, often having a knee jerk reaction about it. And that is more or less about it. Fans will be fine, once riders will be fine, less injured.

 

[Froome]

No. I already said that two days back, Rogla is good on gravel and i have no issues if he decides to ride Strade Bianche again in the future. On a GT though, there should be no place for gravel. The reason being it's a lottery, when it comes to punctures and mehanicals and as such it shouldn't have such big influence on the outcome, when it comes to general classification. It's not justifiable.



Again no, i explained on multiple occasion Rogla is a good bike handler. It's due to crashes and especially injuries pandemic ongoing in the pro peloton, that needs to get addressed. Obviously not by fans, as fans would instead rather make the peloton ride cobbles today. Riders are now starting to change their opinion and teams are starting to back them. Likely due to huge amount of money lately being introduced into pro peloton. For teams it's just becoming economically unsustainable, to have their superstars injured. So finally they are now pressing on governing bodies, such as UCI, to do something. Fans will be fans, often having a knee jerk reaction about it. And that is more or less about it.

I am anxious for the day where the riders will use airbags.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I am anxious for the day where the riders will use airbags.

And amateurs. For motorcycle owners one can get a decent kit at around 600 euros already.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Seriously though, stages like this are an abomination. They're just glorified tourism commercials until the last 5k until everyone awakens for a few minutes.
And no, sprinters don't need their days. That's what track racing is for.

Of course it's tourism and commercials. Tourism and commercials drive 95 percent of the Tour revenue. Is this news to anyone?

 

[Eyeballs Out]

With the dismal summer weather, the only reason I know it's July is because of the moaning on here about flat stages.

 

[tobydawq]

No. I already said that two days back, Rogla is good on gravel and i have no issues if he decides to ride Strade Bianche again in the future. On a GT though, there should be no place for gravel. The reason being it's a lottery, when it comes to punctures and mehanicals and as such it shouldn't have such big influence on the outcome, when it comes to general classification. It's not justifiable.



Again no, i explained on multiple occasion Rogla is a good bike handler. It's due to crashes and especially injuries pandemic ongoing in the pro peloton, that needs to get addressed. Obviously not by fans, as fans would instead rather make the peloton ride cobbles today. Riders are now starting to change their opinion, valuing their own safety, and teams are starting to back them. Likely due to huge amount of money lately being introduced into pro peloton. For teams it has just become economically unsustainable, to have their superstars injured. So finally they are now pressing on governing bodies, such as UCI, to do something. Fans will be fans, often having a knee jerk reaction about it. And that is more or less about it. Fans will be fine, once riders will be fine, less injured.

There were no more mechanicals or punctures than on a regular stage, though, so I think I will stay with my conclusion that the opinion in reality stems from Primoz Roglic being not suited to the stage.

 

[CyclistAbi]

There were no more mechanicals or punctures than on a regular stage, though, so I think I will stay with my conclusion that the opinion in reality stems from Primoz Roglic being not suited to the stage.

Yes, we were kind of cheated, maybe deceived, weren't we? As if this would be a proper gravel stage, for real men, as the fans say, then no way all big 4 would get through the stage intact?

In the end it was sort of a posh gravel stage on where it looks like the organizer really made sure, that the thick layer of newly added gravel turned it into a better then regular road sections surface. We even lost Vlasov on regular road, not gravel. The rest of the stats just not making much sense. No real issues with punctures, mechanicals, crashes ... Riders saying they don't even recognize the route, that much different it was, compared to the surface from recognisance rides a couple of months back.

As for you believing i am against gravel on GTs because of Rogla, or not. There really isn't much point in discussing this, is it? When the mind is set it's set. Personally i do support Rogla riding at SB and PR in the future, it would only be appropriate. We'll see.

 

[Carols]

Wow, some people really hate Philipsen that much huh?
Y'all must have gone batsh*t crazy during the Abdushaparov or early Cav years.

I loved Abdu!!!!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Cavendish in his interview calling Groenewegen 'that Dutch lad from Orica', sounding like both an 80 year old grandma and some of the random trolls on here.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Kobe Goosens' <20km off the front earned him €2000 for most combative rider and €1500 for winning at the sprint point.

WorldTour race Eschborn-Frankfurt paid winnerVan Gils there €2425 (and I have no reason to believe it is the lowest paying WT event)

 

[Rob5091]

Kobe Goosens' <20km off the front earned him €2000 for most combative rider and €1500 for winning at the sprint point.

WorldTour race Eschborn-Frankfurt paid winnerVan Gils there €2425 (and I have no reason to believe it is the lowest paying WT event)

I've written this before. It's easy money at the moment, Nobody wants to go in the break.

Congrtas to Visma who probably got the most out of stage 10 - an easy ride to keep Vingegaard safe.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Kobe Goosens' <20km off the front earned him €2000 for most combative rider and €1500 for winning at the sprint point.

WorldTour race Eschborn-Frankfurt paid winnerVan Gils there €2425 (and I have no reason to believe it is the lowest paying WT event)

According to this document, the winner of Eschborn-Frankfurt should receive €16000 before fees and taxes.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

According to this document, the winner of Eschborn-Frankfurt should receive €16000 before fees and taxes.

I would be very pleased to be wrong, for the riders' sake.

My source was https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...urt-prize-money-distribution-eur6050-in-total:

that is obviously a magpie site, so who knows what the original source was.

 

[Bolder]

The simple solution to making sprint stages interesting is making them into kermesse/criterium style courses, say 30 laps of a 5 km course, or at least if you need to show some tourist shots, have the last 50 kms be a 15 lap circuit. With lots of intermediate primes/points on offer for the leader of a lap, for example.

 

[DarkBlue]

G Thomas said he averaged 160W for yesterdays stage - the easiest Grand Tour Stage he has ever done.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I would be very pleased to be wrong, for the riders' sake.

My source was https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...urt-prize-money-distribution-eur6050-in-total:

that is obviously a magpie site, so who knows what the original source was.

I've found the roadbook, and it seems whoever wrote that article (or more likely the one it was translated from) read the rules for the U23 race by mistake.

https://www.eschborn-frankfurt.de/fileadmin/content/3_Eschborn_Frankfurt/EF_2024/ESC24_Roadbook_A4-BD.pdf

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Makes better sense, thanks.

 

[Mayomaniac]

G Thomas said he averaged 160W for yesterdays stage - the easiest Grand Tour Stage he has ever done.

Kinda wild how the Giro sprint stages have been raced so much harder from the start than pretty much all the Tour sprint stages so far.
20 years ago it was the polar opposite.