Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[Rob5091]

More time spent on the bus.
https://inrng.com/2024/11/further-tour-notes-2025/#more-45279

Talking of car journeys, the Tour will have a record amount of transfers, the distance between the finish of one day’s stage and the start the next and by some margin it seems. This is paradoxical for a route that stays in France although we have to go back to 1957 to find an edition without transfers where the race starts in the same town it finished before. In previous years Christian Prudhomme has spoken about trying to reduce transfers for environmental reasons and also to help fatigued riders get to their hotels quicker. Not in 2025.

 

[Ulle97]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

 

[Cookster15]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

I'd prefer if they did Ventoux twice with the second ascent being the MTF. No downhill finish.

 

[Netserk]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

 

[will-10]

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah, I'm happy with it. Especially since it has been 12 years since the previous finish at the top.

Even better would have been a MTT.

What if it's windy?

 

[Froome]

As Ventoux returns next year, are people happy with its use as a MTF. It is very hard to use Ventoux with other climbs as there simply are none of note in the nearby hinterland.

Do you prefer when they do Ventoux twice with a downhill finish in Malaucene.... like in 2021??

Ventoux just one time, is enough, it's quite fine.

I am more concerned with the fact the will use the wrong side of la loze.

 

[pman]

Ventoux just one time, is enough, it's quite fine.

I am more concerned with the fact the will use the wrong side of la loze.

Pog’s not

 

[Sandisfan]

What if it's windy?

Have it barricaded early enough so they carry their bikes the last part to the finish. LOL

 

[Cookster15]

Pog’s not

After what we saw this year I doubt it would make a difference which side of Loze they do. Pog 24 is a different beast to Pog 23. Remember what happened on Plateau de Beille and Col de la Bonette - and all with a Giro in his legs.

 

[Froome]

After what we saw this year I doubt it would make a difference which side of Loze they do. Pog 24 is a different beast to Pog 23. Remember what happened on Plateau de Beille and Col de la Bonette - and all with a Giro in his legs.

Especially if the competition is injured.

 

[Cookster15]

Especially if the competition is injured.

Injured and still climbed better than 2022 and 2023. Uninjured he would have lost less time on the Col de la Bonnette stage and been closer in the TT. But he would still have lost. And don't forget Pogacar had a Giro in his legs. The gap is enormous.

 

[Froome]

Injured and still climbed better than 2022 and 2023. Uninjured he would have lost less time on the Col de la Bonnette stage and been closer in the TT. But he would still have lost. And don't forget Pogacar had a Giro in his legs. The gap is enormous.

Again? It's not true. He wasn't climbing better than in 2023.

Nevertheless, it would be easy for Vingegaard to do interviews and give 177373 excuses for the fact he lost the Tour this year, but he didn't what Pogacar did in the previous year in the interviews after the Tour because of a wrist.

 

[Cookster15]

Again? It's not true. He wasn't climbing better than in 2023.

Nevertheless, it would be easy for Vingegaard to do interviews and give 177373 excuses for the fact he lost the Tour this year, but he didn't what Pogacar did in the previous year in the interviews after the Tour because of a wrist.

I think climbing data said otherwise? eg On PdB Vingegaard was also over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record.

Vingegaard cannot defeat Pogacar on equal terms, I am convinced of this now. That Pogacar won't be doing the Giro in 2025 closes the deal. Also don't forget Pogacar is nearly two years younger.

 

[Froome]

I think climbing data said otherwise? eg On PdB Vingegaard was also over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record.

Vingegaard cannot defeat Pogacar on equal terms, I am convinced of this now. That Pogacar won't be doing the Giro in 2025 closes the deal. Also don't forget Pogacar is nearly two years younger.

You are convinced Vingegaard cannot beat Pogacar and be better if he is not 2 weeks in intensive care, with broken collarbone, pneumotorax, broken ribs and doing the Tour with less mass muscle.

 

[YavorD]

Ventoux just one time, is enough, it's quite fine.

I am more concerned with the fact the will use the wrong side of la loze.

Don't see a problem with that. Meribel side would limit the action to the last 3 km.
That slightly easier side could prompt an action on Madeleine depending on GC situation.

 

[Cookster15]

You are convinced Vingegaard cannot beat Pogacar and be better if he is not 2 weeks in intensive care, with broken collarbone, pneumotorax, broken ribs and doing the Tour with less mass muscle.

Don't complain to me, complain to Richard Plugge and others. They were the ones who claimed Vingegaard wouldn't ride the Tour if he didn't think he could win it - despite those injuries. He still won't beat a fresh Pogacar in 2025. Only crashes or illness can change this.

 

[YavorD]

You are convinced Vingegaard cannot beat Pogacar and be better if he is not 2 weeks in intensive care, with broken collarbone, pneumotorax, broken ribs and doing the Tour with less mass muscle.

I don't think anyone suggests Vingegaard can't be better. Pretty sure everyone knows he can be better with a proper preparation.
I guess most of the people just think that if Pogacar repeats his level from this year he'll be impossible to beat and he can also be better without a Giro in his legs.
And the former is very reasonable tbh. His PdB performance was **** ridiculous. It is nearly impossible to beat someone at that level.

 

[pman]

I am a Pogacar fan. I'd probably say he's my favorite rider (though I have a soft spot for Remco and Roglic). I am definitely not a Vingegaard or Visma fan. Yet even I think it's a massive case of present bias to think Jonas can't beat Pog at the Tour. The closest, least injured competition between the two was a few years back in Jonas first victory and honestly, that year wasn't that close.

I am not saying that Jonas is the better Tour rider, it's entirely possible that Pog has simply found a higher level but I am skeptical. I hope I am wrong and Pog crushes the Tour again but I think the gap between the two are much smaller than some of you think.

 

[houtdffan]

Pog’s not

it is the side used last time, except for that late climb detour. Pog was dropped on the main climb to Courchervel, around where Ullrich was dropped in 2000

 

[Ulle97]

With the likes of Loze being used now, do you think we'll ever see the old Courchevel climb being used again? Like the summit finish in 97, 2000 and 2005.

It's a steady 6.5% for 20k but it causes quite significant GC damage!!

 

[YavorD]

With the likes of Loze being used now, do you think we'll ever see the old Courchevel climb being used again? Like the summit finish in 97, 2000 and 2005.

It's a steady 6.5% for 20k but it causes quite significant GC damage!!

I don't think it will cause significant damage now just because it has done so 20 years ago.*

*Of course, with Pogacar and Vingegaard it could, but naturally the action should be underwhelming.

 

[Berniece]

Injured and still climbed better than 2022 and 2023. Uninjured he would have lost less time on the Col de la Bonnette stage and been closer in the TT. But he would still have lost. And don't forget Pogacar had a Giro in his legs. The gap is enormous.

What's this "Giro in his legs" narrative that's being pushed? UAE was clear that this didn't have any influence, and even helped with his form.

 

[Cookster15]

What's this "Giro in his legs" narrative that's being pushed? UAE was clear that this didn't have any influence, and even helped with his form.

UAE can say whatever PR they wish. How could the Giro not have an effect? A three week grand tour? 21 days of racing. It should not require explaining why nobody has pulled off the Giro-Tour double since 1998.

 

[Netserk]

With the likes of Loze being used now, do you think we'll ever see the old Courchevel climb being used again? Like the summit finish in 97, 2000 and 2005.

It's a steady 6.5% for 20k but it causes quite significant GC damage!!

Probably not, but I thought the same of Pla d'Adet.