Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 10: Ennezat – Le Mont-Dore (165.3k)

[Pantani Attacks]

Vingo wanted to shake hands with Pogi as if they collaborated for 10km’s and put minutes into every other rider.

One for the armchair psychologists, but looked weak from JV to me.

 

[Rackham]

The profile of the final climb suits Pog more are we know Visma are kind of a race by numbers team.

Guess they didnt want to risk losing 5-10 seconds here (which was a 90% outcome if Vingegaard went super deep as Pog would get on his wheel and probably go past him)... and think maybe can claw time back in the high mountains.

If anything Vinge is closer to Pog on short punchy finishes these days than he is on longer climbs. The theory Vinge can wait for the big climbs is pretty much outdated since last year.

So riding around on Pog's wheel like this isn't going to get him any closer to yellow.

 

[BubbaChuck]

pog still on training bike,lol.

 

[E_F_]

If anything Vinge is closer to Pog on short punchy finishes these days than he is on longer climbs. The theory Vinge can wait for the big climbs is pretty much outdated since last year.

So riding around on Pog's wheel like this isn't going to get him any closer to yellow.

And the "fatigue"-thing is just complete nonsense. Pogacar won't get fatigued by riding his own pace while Vingegaard desperately tries to limit his losses.

 

[ontheroad]

But how did today's stage put more fatigue into Pogačar than Vingegaard himself?

Now don't be asking sensible questions!

I don't buy the theory that Visma intend to tire Pogacar out. It wasn't like they even made it a gruelling stage today. But even if this is a tactic then are we expected to believe that UAE would tire themselves out but that Visma themselves wouldn't also tire!

The reality is that they have a slim chance of beating Pogacar but a very good chance of finishing second and I think that is where their focus is although they can't say that. Nothing I saw today would leave me to believe anything different. Putting Yates in the break, the half hearted attacks from Jorgensen and the pat on the back to Pogacar from Vingegaard at the stage finish.

He just needs to be there in second place waiting to pounce if Pogacar crashes, takes sick or something unforeseen happens. But he's not beating him on the road.

 

[GroupDK]

Pog could barely hide his smile for the last 1km.

Its not really up for debate, its been the norm for decades.
Being in yellow on rest day is one of the biggest intermittent goals in the Tour de France, and having all the buzz, that is paramount for any team and its sponsors and its visitors.
Your not dropping a yellow jersey before rest day with purpose.

 

[happytramp]

Does healy have any chance of challenging remco in the white jersey comp?

 

[slim charles]

Its not really up for debate, its been the norm for decades.
Being in yellow on rest day is one of the biggest intermittent goals in the Tour de France, and having all the buzz, that is paramount for any team and its sponsors and its visitors.
Your not dropping a yellow jersey before rest day with purpose.

I mean, they could have kept it if they really wanted to. I don't think Tadej and the UAE will be particularly sad about this.

 

[Heston]

Suddenly all of Visma is better than UAE in the mountains.

Of course they are better after Almeida crashed out. The teams were even in the mountains before.

 

[Miha81]

it would cost too much to hail back those strong riders in the front, with Hayley going all in.

Who is Hayley and what team does she ride for?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If anything Vinge is closer to Pog on short punchy finishes these days than he is on longer climbs. The theory Vinge can wait for the big climbs is pretty much outdated since last year.

So riding around on Pog's wheel like this isn't going to get him any closer to yellow.

I think Visma is waiting for their D-Day hoping to drop Pogacar once (or max. twice). They can try it during the last Pyrenean stage or maybe will wait till Ventoux or the biggest alpine stage. I don't think they are hoping to drop Pogacar during all those MTFs and eat the gap gradually.

 

[Rou]

Overrated stage. Reminds me of the Vuelta 2023 Stage 20 with a lot of vertical metres but too easy climbs.

 

[Schultz0620]

Its not really up for debate, its been the norm for decades.
Being in yellow on rest day is one of the biggest intermittent goals in the Tour de France, and having all the buzz, that is paramount for any team and its sponsors and its visitors.
Your not dropping a yellow jersey before rest day with purpose.

For some teams, absolutely. All UAE cares about is the yellow jersey at the end. They probably would prefer not to have it on a rest day on July 15th and be able to have a more relaxing day.

 

[GroupDK]

I mean, they could have kept it if they really wanted to. I don't think Tadej and the UAE will be particularly sad about this.

It looks lke Tadej were a little salty that his buddy Jonas didnt gave him a hand to keep the pace up, how he constantly looked back at Jonas and talked to him an expected him to help likely in some view that they could gain more on the rest, but Jonas don't care about the rest... its Tadej only, just as its Jonas only for Tadej.. at least I thought.. was kind of hilarious to see Tadej follow Jorgenson again and gain

Seeing a champ like Tadej, fighting for seconds to desperate keep his jersey with his fingernails from Ben Hayley outstanding ride and maybe don't even secure it.. Would feel kind of embarrassing for a champ of Tadej calibre, that some riders thinks is a tad to gready... Likely also a little confusion where the cutoff were for the jersey.

Having a yellow on rest day is a huge intermittent team goal in Tour de France for any team.. at the end of the day.. its promo for these teams.. having obs and focus and your having tons of visitors & people that are financing the team on rest day.. and fronting the yellow at that event.. talks for itself...

 

[nightowl]

If anything Vinge is closer to Pog on short punchy finishes these days than he is on longer climbs. The theory Vinge can wait for the big climbs is pretty much outdated since last year.

So riding around on Pog's wheel like this isn't going to get him any closer to yellow.

You could make the argument that Vingegaard hasn’t had the long climb advantage since 2022 to be honest.

2024 he matched/beat Pogacar on stages 2 and 11 but got dropped everywhere else.

2023 he created huge gaps on Marie Blanque and Combloux but couldn’t distance Pogacar on longer climbs and even got distanced himself. Yes he lost time on Cauterets but that’s because he cooked himself trying to drop Pogacar on Tourmalet.

Obviously Loze is the exception but that was due to accumulated fatigue and imo not indicative of Pogacar’s actual climbing level that tour.

 

[memyselfandI]

Well the working order is to demolish UAE domestiques first, then focus on Pogi. VLAB ain't gonna do much before that. Simon Yatesy should piggyback and fuga dalla fuga some Lipo or Rogla or Gall to get things really going. Not easy of course. Yatesy is real playcard here now if used wisely.

 

[Netserk]

Vingegaard had hoped that Vauquelin had joined the break today.

 

[HashRouge]

It looks lke Tadej were a little salty that his buddy Jonas didnt gave him a hand to keep the pace up, how he constantly looked back at Jonas and talked to him an expected him to help likely in some view that they could gain more on the rest, but Jonas don't care about the rest... its Tadej only, just as its Jonas only for Tadej.. at least I thought.. was kind of hilarious to see Tadej follow Jorgenson again and gain

Seeing a champ like Tadej, fighting for seconds to desperate keep his jersey with his fingernails from Ben Hayley and maybe don't even secure it.. Would feel kind of embarrassing for a champ of Tadej calibre, that some riders thinks is a tad to gready... Likely also a little confusion where the cutoff were for the jersey.

Having a yellow on rest day is a huge intermittent team goal in Tour de France for any team.. at the end of the day.. its promo for these teams.. having obs and focus and your having tons of visitors & people that are financing the team on rest day.. and fronting the yellow at that event.. talks for itself...

UAE don't need any of this though. Pog is world champion, has won more than any other active rider, and is the favourite to win the Tour. They don't need the extra attention on rest day, and they certainly don't need the extra promotion!

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

What do you expect he'd get out of an attack on that final hill?

Visma's tactic is clearly to wear out Pog and his team while minimizing how much time he gains over Vingegaard on finishes like this. A Vingegaard attack could easily be countered by a Pog one that would win him a couple of seconds.

A sane answer to the frothing hatred. Thank you.

 

[AmRacer]

Probably couldn't believe his luck... Might well win the tour without ever being put under pressure.

He will ride the Vuelta, so it makes sense taking it as easy as possible in the Tour.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

The profile of the final climb suits Pog more are we know Visma are kind of a race by numbers team.

Guess they didnt want to risk losing 5-10 seconds here (which was a 90% outcome if Vingegaard went super deep as Pog would get on his wheel and probably go past him)... and think maybe can claw time back in the high mountains.

Again, sanity in posting. Thank you.

 

[Cycling111]

Jonas scared to put in a dig in a short and risk free climb after all that choreograpgy from Visma. Truly a rider only supported by his countrymen. I even seen danes root for Pogacar.

Campenaerts told Eurosport he doesn't know why Vingegaard didn't attack.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't see how Pogacar is happy here. He tried to drop Vingegaard, couldn't and his team looked much the weaker today. Also, the Blacklisted team won the stage. That's thrice reason for his ire.

 

[Rou]

So 10 stages in and we haven't had a proper climb yet.
This hyped up stage was a bummer.
The Tour will start and end on Hautacam.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Seriously why do so many here don't understand it?

1. Visma wants to put fatigue into Pogacar and UAE, they do this by making the stage hard. They did exactly that.

2. If Vingegaard attacked at the end he would have gained what exactly on top of what the team already managed to do? Maybe a few seconds at most?

3. Vingegaard needs to capitalize on the building fatigue on stages where you can gain much more time in potential, this is not that stage.

All in all Visma did a great job, stage win, great team performance. They clearly showed to be stronger as a team than UAE and they are still in contention with Vingegaard.

Not sure really why so many here fail to see this. If this is enough to beat Pogacar in the end? I do not think so, I do think it is the best strategy though.

Sane post , thank you!