Tour de France Tour de France 2026 route rumours

[Netserk]

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[Krzysztof_O]

Solaison is a perfect vertical kilometer climb with steep sections at the bottom encouraging early selection. Unofficial vertical km record incoming?

 

[Netserk]

Solaison is a perfect vertical kilometer climb with steep sections at the bottom encouraging early selection. Unofficial vertical km record incoming?

Yeah, Voldemort won't need 30 minutes to be done with it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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2000 m/h in coming

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yeah, Voldemort won't need 30 minutes to be done with it.

You think so? Recently I was actually wondering if VAM of 2000 m/h for 30 minutes is possible for Pogiman. It could be too much: during Peyreguades TT his climbing speed was around 2000 m/h but for much shorter time and it was a standalone effort (but OTOH less steep gradient). On a climb with over 10% of avg. gradient his chances would be better.

 

[Netserk]

Protect one jersey from the dark side.

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[Peyroteo94]

Protect one jersey from the dark side.

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This is just nonsense. They should earn that jersey.

 

[Netserk]

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[Red Rick]

THANK GOD IT'S CYCLINGNEWS FORUM CHRISTMAS

 

[Red Rick]

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Stacking all the desnivel into a Solaison finish is so *** pointless and so *** ASO

 

[Netserk]

Stacking all the desnivel into a Solaison finish is so *** pointless and so *** ASO

It's a good climb, sir. We'll thankfully have other kinds of mountain stages too.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You think so? Recently I was actually wondering if VAM of 2000 m/h for 30 minutes is possible for Pogiman. It could be too much: during Peyreguades TT his climbing speed was around 2000 m/h but for much shorter time and it was a standalone effort (but OTOH less steep gradient).

He needs to climb around 30'45" to hit 2000 m/h.
It's very possible with a good team.

30'45" to climb 11.3 km at 9.1%. 22 kph.

VAM depends a lot on steepness.

 

[Red Rick]

You think so? Recently I was actually wondering if VAM of 2000 m/h for 30 minutes is possible for Pogiman. It could be too much: during Peyreguades TT his climbing speed was around 2000 m/h but for much shorter time and it was a standalone effort (but OTOH less steep gradient). On a climb with over 10% of avg. gradient his chances would be better.

2 problems are mainly that Pogacar isn't a fresh W/kg specialist, and I can't think of particularly great climbs to do it on, i.e. low altitude and steep/long enough.

Actually, Italy has all the great candidates near the Great Lakes, with Punta Veleno the best candidate.

 

[Peyroteo94]

2 problems are mainly that Pogacar isn't a fresh W/kg specialist, and I can't think of particularly great climbs to do it on, i.e. low altitude and steep/long enough.

Huh? This is ridiculous. Low altitude and steep/long enough are usual in only one GT (unipuertos stages) and that's Vuelta.
Do you know Pogacar doesn't race the Vuelta since 2019?

Monte Carpegna is a good example of a climb steep and long enough at low altitude where Pogacar put everyone into bed in a fresh effort.

A recent example is clearly Peyragudes where in a fresh effort he destroyed the field and your favorite rider who in your opinion is stellar in these type of efforts.
Such bias towards Pogacar...

 

[Red Rick]

Huh? This is ridiculous. Low altitude and steep/long enough are usual in only one GT (unipuertos stages) and that's Vuelta.
Do you know Pogacar doesn't race the Vuelta since 2019?

Monte Carpegna is a good example of a climb steep and long enough at low altitude where Pogacar put everyone into bed in a fresh effort.

A recent example is clearly Peyragudes where in a fresh effort he destroyed the field and your favorite rider who in your opinion is stellar in these type of efforts.
Such bias towards Pogacar...

I would explain it to you if I was 100% sure you'd just ignore it.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

2 problems are mainly that Pogacar isn't a fresh W/kg specialist, and I can't think of particularly great climbs to do it on, i.e. low altitude and steep/long enough.

I was refering mostly to Solaison (which likely isn't steep enough). As for other climbs they could find good sections for such hypothetical competition i.e. Mortirolo's first 70% climbs 1000 m in 8.7 km (topping out at 1570) and is quite regular with good asphalt.

As for fresh w/kg specialist it's simply a matter of Pog's performance deteriorating less than others due to mileage (I mean he did almost 1900 m/h for 40 mins at the end of hard PdB stage). Maybe instead of an ITT the best shot would be a TTT (like they did with Vingo and Jorge on PdB).

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was refering mostly to Solaison (which likely isn't steep enough). As for other climbs they could find good sections for such hypothetical competition i.e. Mortirolo's first 70% climbs 1000 m in 8.7 km (topping out at 1570).

As for fresh w/kg specialist it's simply a matter of Pog's performance deteriorating less than others due to mileage (I mean he did almost 1900 m/h for 40 mins at the end of hard PdB stage). Maybe instead of an ITT the best shot would be a TTT (like they did with Vingo and Jorge on PdB).

But since when is not Pogacar a specialist in fresh W/Kg efforts? If he isn't, who is? Roglic?
There is any soul in this forum who believes 2024 Pogacar would not smoke Roglic in Moncalvillo?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

But where isn't Pogacar a specialist in fresh W/Kg efforts? If he isn't, who is? Roglic?
There is any soul in this forum who believes 2024 Pogacat would not smoke Roglic in Moncalvillo?

I think @Red Rick means that the gap between Pog and others is considerably smaller during such efforts (vs harder stages). Still, Peyreguades produced pretty big gaps for such a short climb (it was after a hard stage though).

 

[QueenStagiaire]

But since when is not Pogacar a specialist in fresh W/Kg efforts? If he isn't, who is? Roglic?
There is any soul in this forum who believes 2024 Pogacat would not smoke Roglic in Moncalvillo?

Do you not understand what specialist means?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I would explain it to you if I was 100% sure you'd just ignore it.

So, no answer. Natural bias as always and zero evidence of course. This just reinforced my desire of seeing Pogacar in the Vuelta and then I will wait for your posts again to see your opinion.

 

[Red Rick]

I think @Red Rick means that the gap between Pog and others is considerably smaller during such efforts (vs harder stages). Still, Peyreguades produced pretty big gaps for such a short climb (it was after a hard stage though).

He thinks putting 1'20 into a washed up Roglic is some sort of gotcha.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He thinks putting 1'20 into a washed up Roglic is some sort of gotcha.

Just convince washed-up Rogla to pull Pogi in the first half (less steeper) of the Mortirolo's vertical km challenge and Pogi does it in 30 minutes (fragment between km 1 and 9.7)

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think @Red Rick means that the gap between Pog and others is considerably smaller during such efforts (vs harder stages). Still, Peyreguades produced pretty big gaps for such a short climb (it was after a hard stage though).

It's still silly to think that. Of course gaps will be smaller when legs are less tired. This has nothing to do with Pogacar's ability and more about common sense. PdB created big gaps because Visma put a hard pace all day (hard mountain stage) and went crazy at the bottom so gaps were obviously bigger than if the pace was slow. This is logic, not anything to do with Pogacar.
For that reason, I gave the example of the MTT in the TdF. Where were others close to Pogacar?

 

[Breh]

why did I think the first hour would be interesting????

So glad I didn't win the TdF and had to attend in person.

 

[hayneplane]

But since when is not Pogacar a specialist in fresh W/Kg efforts? If he isn't, who is? Roglic?
There is any soul in this forum who believes 2024 Pogacar would not smoke Roglic in Moncalvillo?

Take a pause and read what has been written carefully.

Pogacar is not a fresh w/kg specialist as his most supreme performances have been at the end of hard efforts that have destroyed everyone else.

Roglic is a much better example of a fresh w/kg specialist and it is not a contradiction to say that even in those efforts Pogacar is still very clearly a lot better than Roglic.