Tour de Romandie 2012

[movingtarget]

Well, the last 30 guys can still win the race, so if the wind picks up a bit toward the afternoon (like last year) it can be a very determining factor.

A certain team might not be so happy to have all 4 of their GC guys starting in the last 20 minutes

That's a bit silly, don't they usually split them up and have some go off early ? Or they get the option ?

 

[Richeypen]

That's a bit silly, don't they usually split them up and have some go off early ? Or they get the option ?

As far as Im aware they only can switch around before there are any GC placing eg prologues.

I guess that Mollema and Rogers may be switched around to separate out teammates though

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

As far as Im aware they only can switch around before there are any GC placing eg prologues.

I guess that Mollema and Rogers may be switched around to separate out teammates though

Nope - in prologues they automatically start out spaced by the number of teams.

In a genuine GC situation like today they will rearrange to ensure Rabo have enough DS / cars, and to prevent the appearance of drafting opportunities.

 

[theyoungest]

Nope - in prologues they automatically start out spaced by the number of teams.

In a genuine GC situation like today they will rearrange to ensure Rabo have enough DS / cars, and to prevent the appearance of drafting opportunities.

Start order:

74 POR19851018 MACHADO Tiago RNT 16:00:00
116 POR19861005 COSTA Rui MOV 16:02:00
38 SLO19860623 SPILAK Simon KAT 16:04:00
83 NED19910325 *KELDERMAN Wilco RAB 16:06:00
134 USA19881123 * W TALANSKY Andrew GRM 16:08:00
86 NED19820924 CLEMENT Stef RAB 16:10:00
84 NED19861126 MOLLEMA Bauke RAB 16:12:00
64 AUS19791220 ROGERS Michael SKY 16:14:00
61 GBR19800428 WIGGINS Bradley SKY 16:16:00
82 ESP19831124 Y SANCHEZ Luis Leon RAB 16:18:00

Maybe Rabo can borrow Vacansoleil's cars, they're all way down on GC.

 

[Richeypen]

Nope - in prologues they automatically start out spaced by the number of teams.

In a genuine GC situation like today they will rearrange to ensure Rabo have enough DS / cars, and to prevent the appearance of drafting opportunities.

eh? You said nope then agreed with me?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Hmmm fair cop.

Certainly not something that only occurs in prologues however - by definition no one on the same team is near a teammate anyway.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

eh? You said nope then agreed with me?

No - you said they only rearrange when there is no GC.

I said that for a prologue, before there is no GC, they start with teams auto-spaced. That is standard procedure, not rearranging.

In later situations with a GC established they then often will rearrange, however not today it seems.

 

[theyoungest]

In later situations with a GC established they then often will rearrange, however not today it seems.

Actually I've not seen that happen very often.

 

[Richeypen]

No - you said they only rearrange when there is no GC.

I said that for a prologue, before there is no GC, they start with teams auto-spaced. That is standard procedure, not rearranging.

In later situations with a GC established they then often will rearrange, however not today it seems.

Oh. You are wrong then.

It is common practice for teams to swap around teammates in prologues if their is dodgy weather around.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Actually I've not seen that happen very often.

Well, unless you're going to claim it never happens, it's not something I find interesting enough to follow up.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Oh. You are wrong then.

It is common practice for teams to swap around teammates in prologues if their is dodgy weather around.

Yes, WITHIN THE TEAM SLOTS.

I said absolutely nothing about which member of the team goes where, merely that the teams are auto-spaced.

 

[Richeypen]

Yes, WITHIN THE TEAM SLOTS.

I said absolutely nothing about which member of the team goes where, merely that the teams are auto-spaced.

And when did I?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

And when did I?

Really not sure what you're getting at here.

You started by saying that start orders are only rearranged in prologues, not when a GC is established.

I said that they are rearranged when a GC is established on some occasions. They are not rearranged for a prologue as teams are auto spaced.

You then decided to interpret that as saying that specific riders are locked down to slots for a prologue. I just made clear that was not what I said or think.

You then asked why I ascribed those views to you. I have not.

Are we all good now?

 

[movingtarget]

Actually I've not seen that happen very often.

I vaguely recall Wiggins doing it I think but I can't remember which race. But it is rare. It's a risk because sometimes it's the better riders that get the wind advantage and weather forecasts are pretty vatriable.

 

[Richeypen]

Really not sure what you're getting at here.

You started by saying that start orders are only rearranged in prologues, not when a GC is established.

I said that they are rearranged when a GC is established on some occasions. They are not rearranged for a prologue as teams are auto spaced.

You then decided to interpret that as saying that specific riders are locked down to slots for a prologue. I just made clear that was not what I said or think.

You then asked why I ascribed those views to you. I have not.

Are we all good now?

Could you try and be a bit more condescending please I couldn't quite understand you.

I say that riders can switch on prologues, you say 'nope'. Do you not think that that might be where things get confused?

 

[Richeypen]

I vaguely recall Wiggins doing it I think but I can't remember which race. But it is rare. It's a risk because sometimes it's the better riders that get the wind advantage and weather forecasts are pretty vatriable.

2010 Tour. ****ed up spectacularly on that day.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Could you try and be a bit more condescending please I couldn't quite understand you.

I say that riders can switch on prologues, you say 'nope'. Do you not think that that might be where things get confused?

I was saying nope to your suggestion that that was the only situation they could 'switch'. I would argue they are not switching at all, given there is no established order at that point.

I apologise if any offense was caused.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeh maybe with a MTT but its not a mountain TT is it?
My point is that he will perform better than his climbing would suggest (not spectacular as some people seem to think) as he will have an advantage over other riders in that he is a superior time triallist so he has a better position etc

today is a mountain itt

 

[Richeypen]

I was saying nope to your suggestion that that was the only situation they could 'switch'. I would argue they are not switching at all, given there is no established order at that point.

I apologise if any offense was caused.

No offence caused. Dont think either of us were being particularly clear

 

[Richeypen]

Getting back on topic, what is the weather forecast? Think that Sky will be OK either way given that Porte will be starting over an hour back but is less than 40seconds down on GC

 

[dlwssonic]

This course suits the likes of wiggins and evans well. Evans can climb a lot of positions on GC today.

 

[will10]

No - you said they only rearrange when there is no GC.

I said that for a prologue, before there is no GC, they start with teams auto-spaced. That is standard procedure, not rearranging.

In later situations with a GC established they then often will rearrange, however not today it seems.

And in cases where it is rearranged, it is only by one or two slots. Romandie don't seem to bother with that though - see all the Rabos together and three Astana riders starting in a row.

 

[greenedge]

Yeah Evans could realistically win the stage ( something salvageable- which could lead to a top 10/5 ).

 

[dlwssonic]

Yeah Evans could realistically win the stage ( something salvageable- which could lead to a top 10/5 ).

he could if he had the top form. But not now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

for evans, form doesn't matter that much