Tour Match Up: Gesink v Van Den Broeck

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ha, don't get ****ed when you get a good counter

 

[Michielveedeebee]

No Gilbert as well, so clearly Hushovd and Farrar are better than Gilbert

 

[Angliru]

Actually Mr. Ignoramus, Gesink has two Facebook pages which combined make for just more than half of VDB2's fans. Furthermore, as far as ludicrous arguments go, Gesink has a twitter account where he has more than 3 times the amount of followers/fans VDB2 has on his Facebook.

I don't think either of you should be proud of following riders twitter and Facebook pages but I'm old school like that. There is such a thing as too much info and drawing the line.

 

[Spine Concept]

I don't think either of you should be proud of following riders twitter and Facebook pages but I'm old school like that. There is such a thing as too much info and drawing the line.

I never said I was an avid follower in that regard. I just did a quick facebook check and I do follow Gesink on twitter. Why not? I like him as a rider so I'm interested in his trainings and power values etc. I draw the line at stalking.
I just wanted to refute that DenisMenchov character's ludicrous claims, he even manages to dilute the facts in his favor. Now he comes in here posting the front page of some cycling magazine simply because Gesink isn't on it. I can already see him clapping like a *** seal once he laid eyes on that front page. Top class clown.

 

[Angliru]

I never said I was an avid follower in that regard. I just did a quick facebook check and I do follow Gesink on twitter. Why not? I like him as a rider so I'm interested in his trainings and power values etc. I draw the line at stalking.
I just wanted to refute that DenisMenchov character's ludicrous claims, he even manages to dilute the facts in his favor. Now he comes in here posting the front page of some cycling magazine simply because Gesink isn't on it. Top class clown.

Just messing with the both of you.

Gesink really deserved a spot on there too as one of the sport's up and coming grand tour riders. Farrar is on there for the same reasons that Wiggins is and both should've been bumped for Gesink and Gilbert but that's just me.

 

[Spine Concept]

Just messing with the both of you.

Gesink really deserved a spot on there too as one of the sport's up and coming grand tour riders. Farrar is on there for the same reasons that Wiggins is and both should've been bumped for Gesink and Gilbert but that's just me.

I know you were playing. I just wanted to clarify that bit.

Gesink and Gilbert should have been there for sure, however, I assure you that they won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I can already hear Lance screaming he isn't on there tho.

STFU Johan, why the f*ck am I not on the cover. I'm a legend that transcends the sport. Call McQuaid and do something about this

 

[The Hitch]

My god the fanboys are deluded.

It would indeed be great to see one of the too trying to win Giro/Vuelta.
Would both easily have become 2nd in this year's giro (when in top form)

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Come on, giro competition was zero this year. Contador was just playing with them like they were a bunch of neopro's.
(This supposedly 'epic' giro was thus one of the most boring stage races I have watched in recent years btw... )

Do you really believe Scarponi is a better GT rider than Gesink or VDB?

 

[DenisMenchov]

I don't think either of you should be proud of following riders twitter and Facebook pages but I'm old school like that. There is such a thing as too much info and drawing the line.

I don`t find this thread serious, so I was just kidding with those stupid little things, but it seems that Dutchies can`t handle a little joke about Gesink.

Also you missed all the

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Come on, giro competition was zero this year. Contador was just playing with them like they were a bunch of neopro's.
(This supposedly 'epic' giro was thus one of the most boring stage races I have watched in recent years btw... )

Do you really believe Scarponi is a better GT rider than Gesink or VDB?

In case of the Hitch that would be a yes.
I agree with you tho, no way are Scarponi and Nibali better than Gesink/VDB

 

[Spine Concept]

I don`t find this thread serious, so I was just kidding with those stupid little things, but it seems that Dutchies can`t handle a little joke about Gesink.

Also you missed all the

Have you considered the possibility that you simply are not funny, clever, or witty in delivering these so called ''jokes''? It comes across as a desperate attempt to denigrate Gesink every chance you get. It's pathetic more than anything else.

 

[The Hitch]

Come on, giro competition was zero this year. Contador was just playing with them like they were a bunch of neopro's.
(This supposedly 'epic' giro was thus one of the most boring stage races I have watched in recent years btw... )

Do you really believe Scarponi is a better GT rider than Gesink or VDB?

Id say Scarponi is way better than VDB and around the same level as Gesink.

Same about Nibali.

Do you really believe JVDB is a better gc rider than Dennis Menchov?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Id say Scarponi is way better than VDB and around the same level as Gesink.

Same about Nibali.

Do you really believe JVDB is a better gc rider than Dennis Menchov?

This was not the Dennis menchov of old.

I'm not sure I agree that Scarponi is better then JvdB. There isn't too much difference I guess... I rate JVDB a tad higher in the cols tho. Scarponi is probably a bit more versatile.
At times scarps looked very fragile at the giro.

Overall I think in top form JVDB ad gesink are better.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Have you considered the possibility that you simply are not funny, clever, or witty in delivering these so called ''jokes''? It comes across as a desperate attempt to denigrate Gesink every chance you get. It's pathetic more than anything else.

Boy, you find this thread too serious. I never ever tried to denigrate Gesink, actually I used to be his fan, now I like Mollema and VDB more than him.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Id say Scarponi is way better than VDB and around the same level as Gesink.

Same about Nibali.

Do you really believe JVDB is a better gc rider than Dennis Menchov?

Both of them in form - It depends on the parcours. With TTs Menchov is much better, but with no TTs like Giro, they would be pretty close.

 

[Spine Concept]

Boy, you find this thread too serious. I never ever tried to denigrate Gesink, actually I used to be his fan, now I like Mollema and VDB more than him.

Actually I enjoy a good banter every now and then. However, you seem to be fixated on Gesink and it´s pretty annoying to say the least. That´s just my opinion though, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[hrotha]

Van den Broeck is one of my favourite riders, but seriously he's done like one GT at the very top. His Tour record is slightly better than Nibali's, but Nibali destroys him in the other two GTs.

 

[The Hitch]

This was not the Dennis menchov of old.

I'm not sure I agree that Scarponi is better then JvdB. There isn't too much difference I guess... I rate JVDB a tad higher in the cols tho. Scarponi is probably a bit more versatile.
At times scarps looked very fragile at the giro.

Overall I think in top form JVDB ad gesink are better.

People are assuming Scarponi was crap because Contador took 5minutes on him.

Contador on that form on that course could take 5 minutes easy from anyone, including Andy Schleck.

Scarponi lost 1 minute 30 to Basso in all the Giro 2010 mountains. I think a on form Basso will be streets better than Jurgen Vandenbrouke.

Where did Jurgen finished when he faced Nibali (younger) at the 2009 Tour. Wel well well down.

Nibali is a multi time Gt podium finisher and a Grand Tour winner who beat Menchov Anton Rodriguez Rujano for the podium on a course that totaly didnt suit him. JVDB has a long way to go before coming close to what Nibali has achieved. Gesink has shown the ability but so have a bunch of others who have never won a grand tour. Yes that includes Samu

Nibali has been there done that 1,2,3 times. Even as a 24 year old in 2009 Tour he was showing his ability.

Sella not being Dq'd from the 2008 Giro is the only thing keeping Nibali from having as many top 10's as Gesink and VDB combined.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Where did Jurgen finished when he faced Nibali (younger) at the 2009 Tour. Wel well well down.

Jurgen fell in TTT that's 1 and 2 had to work for cadel in the early stages, doesn't count

 

[Lanark]

People are assuming Scarponi was crap because Contador took 5minutes on him.

Contador on that form on that course could take 5 minutes easy from anyone, including Andy Schleck.

Scarponi lost 1 minute 30 to Basso in all the Giro 2010 mountains. I think a on form Basso will be streets better than Jurgen Vandenbrouke.

Really, Andy Schleck would have barely done better than Scarponi? I know he is not the most popular guy around here, but that's almost insulting. Scarponi could barely drop Steven Kruijswijk in the last couple of stages.

To be honest, I don't think Basso is streets better than Van den Broeck, I think last year's Giro has given some people the wrong impression about him. It may have been one of the best stage races in the last decade, but I don't think Basso was really that brilliant there. I would be really surprised if VDB and Gesink don't do better this Tour (Basso with or without injuries).

 

[The Hitch]

Really, Andy Schleck would have barely done better than Scarponi? I know he is not the most popular guy around here, but that's almost insulting. Scarponi could barely drop Steven Kruijswijk in the last couple of stages.

To be honest, I don't think Basso is streets better than Van den Broeck, I think last year's Giro has given some people the wrong impression about him. It may have been one of the best stage races in the last decade, but I don't think Basso was really that brilliant there. I would be really surprised if VDB and Gesink don't do better this Tour (Basso with or without injuries).

Sorry i didnt make myself clear enough. While Contador put 5 minutes into Scarponi it was clear that that was just the tip of the iceberg. Had he wanted to, he could have put Basso 06 time into Scarponi.

The 5 minute figure i mentioned versus Andy Schleck would be Contador going for it on every stage which was not what he did against Scarponi.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

People are assuming Scarponi was crap because Contador took 5minutes on him.

Contador on that form on that course could take 5 minutes easy from anyone, including Andy Schleck.

Scarponi lost 1 minute 30 to Basso in all the Giro 2010 mountains. I think a on form Basso will be streets better than Jurgen Vandenbrouke.

Where did Jurgen finished when he faced Nibali (younger) at the 2009 Tour. Wel well well down.

Nibali is a multi time Gt podium finisher and a Grand Tour winner who beat Menchov Anton Rodriguez Rujano for the podium on a course that totaly didnt suit him. JVDB has a long way to go before coming close to what Nibali has achieved. Gesink has shown the ability but so have a bunch of others who have never won a grand tour. Yes that includes Samu

Nibali has been there done that 1,2,3 times. Even as a 24 year old in 2009 Tour he was showing his ability.

Sella not being Dq'd from the 2008 Giro is the only thing keeping Nibali from having as many top 10's as Gesink and VDB combined.

dude conta has nothing to do with my opinion.
rather Etna and Zoncolan do, where he struggled.

on etna losing almost 20 seconds on a not so steep Etna to Kreuziger, Svitsov, Arroyyo isn't good enough. Not for a guy at his biggest goal of the season.

Prior to the giro you went on how nibali was a far worse climber, but he was far more impressive on the climb that doesn't lie; zoncolan.

Grossglockner he struggled also.

Sorry, I like the guy, but he isn't at the level you make out.

To be honest, I don't think Basso is streets better than Van den Broeck, I think last year's Giro has given some people the wrong impression about him. It may have been one of the best stage races in the last decade, but I don't think Basso was really that brilliant there. I would be really surprised if VDB and Gesink don't do better this Tour (Basso with or without injuries).

maybe.. in fact contador's numbers (w/kg) were superior to basso's, and I thought AC not so great there.

Take that as you will.

Ps: gesink has top 10 in every GT he has ridden, he can't do a lot more then that, so I fail to see the point of your post, except that Nibali has been around longer then Gesink and thus it is logical that he'd be more established at this point. Makes Gesink look even better when you consider thier performances together and age difference.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah Nibali was awesome but he somehow ended up 50 seconds down on scarponi despite having a 15 second ttt advantage hence Scarponi was better.

I think that Giro was too hard for everyone but the great one so they all lost time to lesser riders on certain stages.

What has JVDB ever shown to suggest that he is better than Vincenzo Nibali by the way?

Ive conceded that Gesink has shown he is very good and even said that he is about equal to Nibali but it seems even that was not considered enough. Dude how far do you want me to go

Belittle Nibalis achievments all you want and i have been often been the first to do so, but he was a brilliant all rounder in a Giro that totaly didnt suit him. In fact i thought he had some balls to target the Giro this way and deny that it was going to be too hard in the first place and then when he comes here and podiums against that field and comes 3rd on Zonc just behind Contador, i got to think that this is one of the great Gt riders of our time. Gesink might become that but he has yet to show that, and VDB hasnt even shown the potential for that imo.

And thats before looking at his admitedly team assisted 3rd place in 10 and his VUelta win which despite being against a weak field, he did what few expected him to do.

Just like Giro 10 and just like Giro 11, and just like Tour 09. In fact he keeps surpassing expectations, and thats the difference between him and the 2 subject riders of this thread who while talented, have not yet lived up to their expectations.

 

[Spine Concept]

I wish Gesink would target a GT other than the tour. Like Hitch said, he has the undeniable potential to win, however, he needs to translate that potential into results like Nibali did. In my opinion he is more talented than the likes of Kreuziger and Nibali, however, he has to prove it in a GT where they are all in top form. Gesink hasn't raced against a top form Nibali in a GT for a long time.
Nibali has grown in experience - and ability - since the last time they raced a GT against each other. This applies for Gesink as well of course. Now they are both team leaders and have bigger responsibilities and pressure to perform. I would love to see them duke it out in a GT. If Gesink can just stay on his bike I'd put my money on him any day. Especially now that he has vastly improved his time trialing.