Tour Rider Selection and Roles

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Fetisoff said:
Yeah, I completely forgot about him till you mentioned him in the "Tour winners" thread, he's been more invisible than usual :)
It'll be a major WTF if they don't send him actually, since he didn't go to the Giro (which he should have gone to, IMHO)

Yeah similarly I forgot about Spilak. I should be a decent team though, they didn't put all their eggs in the Giro basket. Spilak+Caruso+Gusev (got a result in Switzerland today)+ potentially Kolobnev for support --> not to be sniffed at.
 
Sep 30, 2011
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Fetisoff said:
Don't think Moreno's riding, but I think Kolobnev actually is. Whether Florencio will ride or whether it will be Isaychev/Ignatenko/Porsev/Tsarevitch/Someone else is hard to predict. I might actually even see them putting Porsev/Tsarevitch as a last resort for Olympic preparation.

Menchov - GT leader
Spilak - Main Mountain domestique - maybe stage hunter if Menchov fails
Florencio - flat domestique
Trofimov - Mountain domestique
Freire - Sprinter
Vorganov - flat/mountain domestique, breakaway guy
Horrach - Mountain domestique
Kolobnev - Stage hunter
Gusev - Mountain domestique

(If instead of Florencio it's Isaichev - lead out for Freire, if Porsev/Tsarevitch - will try some sprints)

P.S. Got reminded in another thread, Caruso's likely to go as well as a mountain domestique


If they could include Yelena gadzhievna as their cheer leader i will be forever a fan of katusha :p
 
Jan 22, 2011
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Zam_Olyas said:
If they could include Yelena gadzhievna as their cheer leader i will be forever a fan of katusha :p

/Trying out my Daotec mode/

Elena Isinbaeva signed with Katusha women's team. 5 Year contract & 4.000.000 euros/month

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Jun 9, 2011
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Vacansoleil

Lieuwe Westra - Free role
Wout Poels - Free role
Marco Marcato - Free role
Rob Ruijgh - Free role
Johnny Hoogerland - Free role
Rafael Valls Ferri - Free role
Romain Feillu - Free role + get on the nerves off a lot of sprinters
2 of: Van Hummel/Larsson/Boeckmans/Ligthart/Veuchelen - Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role
 
Aug 18, 2009
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Ruudz0r said:
Vacansoleil

Lieuwe Westra - Free role
Wout Poels - Free role
Marco Marcato - Free role
Rob Ruijgh - Free role
Johnny Hoogerland - Free role
Rafael Valls Ferri - Free role
Romain Feillu - Free role + get on the nerves off a lot of sprinters
2 of: Van Hummel/Larsson/Boeckmans/Ligthart/Veuchelen - Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role

:D Vacansoleil FTW
 
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I think Belkov and Isaychev will ride Tour for Katusha.
Menchov
Spilak, Gusev, Trofimov, Vorganov, Caruso (Mountain Domestiques)
Belkov, Isaychev (for flat)
Freire (Stage Hunter)
 
Aug 29, 2009
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Wigwan said:
Is Moncoutié confirmed? He said last year that it was his last Tour, but the he admited he would go if Cofidis really needs him.

yes, it was confirmed in l'Equipe today
 
May 20, 2009
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whittashau said:
Liquigas

Nibali - GC Leader
Cayetano Sarmiento - Mountain domestique
Alessandro Vanotti - Domestique
Timmy Duggan - Super domestique
Ted King - Domestique
Daniel Oss - Leadouts/domestique
Peter Sagan - Free role
Dominik Nerz - Breakaways
Kristjan Koren - Domestique


I think depending on his shape that Szymd could ride in the place of Nerz or King. Likewise for Basso unless they plan on him riding the Vuelta.
Basso will be working for Nibali in the Tour.
http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=52095

PS: Next time put Nibali at the top, ok? :D
 
Nov 11, 2010
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jobiwan said:
What I would do with Garmin-Barracuda

T.Danielson - co-leader
R.Hesjedal - co-leader
C.Vande Velde - road captain, domestique
D.Millar - domestique
D.Zabriskie - domestique
D.Martin - free element, go for KOM and stages
H. Haussler - domestique, leadout for Farrar
J.Van Summeren - domestique
T. Farrar - sprinter

Hunter could take the place of Haussler, and maybe Maaskant (or Dekker?) could find his way in the team.

I would save Le Mevel and Talansky as the main leaders for the Vuelta.

This looks right.
 
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Ruudz0r said:
Vacansoleil

Lieuwe Westra - Free role
Wout Poels - Free role
Marco Marcato - Free role
Rob Ruijgh - Free role
Johnny Hoogerland - Free role
Rafael Valls Ferri - Free role
Romain Feillu - Free role + get on the nerves off a lot of sprinters
2 of: Van Hummel/Larsson/Boeckmans/Ligthart/Veuchelen - Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role/Free role

Love it, nice one.
 
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jobiwan said:
What I would do with Garmin-Barracuda

T.Danielson - co-leader
R.Hesjedal - co-leader
C.Vande Velde - road captain, domestique
D.Millar - domestique
D.Zabriskie - domestique
D.Martin - free element, go for KOM and stages
H. Haussler - domestique, leadout for Farrar
J.Van Summeren - domestique
T. Farrar - sprinter

Hunter could take the place of Haussler, and maybe Maaskant (or Dekker?) could find his way in the team.

I would save Le Mevel and Talansky as the main leaders for the Vuelta.

Thats about what I think, the 2 spots still open are Haussler and Van Summeren . While that is the team I Would take Vaughters often does unexpected things with his tour squad. Others that could make it Hunter, Maaskant, Dekker, Tom Peterson, Koldo Fernandez or even someone like Alex Howes (Vaughters always seems to bring one unproven rider)
 
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AntonioRossi said:
Rabobank with the BIG 3 :p

Gesink - presumably leader - we'll see after TdS. Coming off a strong ToC
Mollema - co leader - again we'll see after TdS
Kruijswijk - same as Mollema
LLS - strong guy, domestique, will have his own chances
Barredo - showing himself in Dauphine
Breschel - good domestique, strong on the flats
Ten Dam - good mountain domestique (if he is fit coming from injury)

then 2 out of these 4: Martens, Tjallingi, Tankink, Wynants


I am assuming they will leave Renshaw at home. Rabo will surely focus on just the GC because they have 3 GC hopefuls

I really wish they would have sent one of the three GC guys to the Giro, I think any three could have been on the podium and if Ryder did it these 3 could of also.
 
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Froome19 said:
It will be:
Wiggins
Rogers
Porte
Eisel
Cav
EBH
Froome
Siuotsou
Flecha/Knees

Effecitvely the Dauphine team + Cav and Eisel and - Pate

I think Flecha will not be there and either Knees or Pate for that last pure domestique role.
Sky need 2 riders to keep the break away close on flat stages for Cav so that when the sprint trains start up they can at least catch the breakaway. Those two will probably be Knees/Pate and Siuotsou with maybe some help from eisel and rogers. Cav's leadout will probably look something like Cav-Hagen-Eisel-Rogers-Porte and they will just start the leadouts later than usual. Wiggins will then just stay at the front of the peloton with Cav on the flat stages and will have plenty of support in the mountains from porte, rogers, siutsou, and froome.
 
Aug 29, 2009
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Eric8-A said:
This looks right.

no, le Mevel will do the tour I think. It was announced nearly a year ago that he would focus on this in 2012
 
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Here's my shot at a few teams.

Rabobank-

R. Gesink
B. Mollema
S. Kruijswijk
L.L. Sanchez
C. Barredo
L. Ten Dam
M. Breschel
M. Tjallingi
G. Niermann

Chosen to focus on GC. Otherwise the likes of Renshaw would be included. Not sure re Nierman. Previously a shoe in wonder whether Wynants or Martens may get the nod.

Sky

B. Wiggins
C. Froome
K. Sistou
R. Porte
M. Rogers
EBH
C. Knees
B. Eisel
M. Cavendish

Wiggins will have exclusivity on Froome, Sistou, Porte and Knees and Rogers and EBH will also chip in when their work for Cav is done.

Eisel to work for Cav.

Radioshack

A. Schleck
F. Schleck
A. Klöden
M. Monfort
C. Horner
H. Zubeldia
T. Gallopin
F. Cancellara
J. Voigt

I've not included Popovych or Fuglslang who could easily be in the squad instead of Horner and Gallopin.

Garmin

R. Hjesdal
T. Danielson
C. Vandevelde
A. Talansky
D. Millar
D. Zabriskie
D. Martin
J. Van Summeren
T. Farrar

No support for Farrar and/or Haussler who could be excluded in favour of someone like Dekker or Le Mevel if they wanted to concentrate on GC.
 
May 30, 2012
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Liquigas? Nibali, Sagan, Koren, Duggan...
And what about the young guns like Moser and Nerz who were very impressive in Frankfurt? Possible selection for one of them?
 
Sep 2, 2010
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Tony Martin brute hero said:
Liquigas? Nibali, Sagan, Koren, Duggan...
And what about the young guns like Moser and Nerz who were very impressive in Frankfurt? Possible selection for one of them?

Too early for Moser to ride a GT. Nerz is probably an outside chance. His chances will depend heavily on whether Liquigas plan on sending Szmyd. Otherwise it's probably a head-to-head between him and Ted King.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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Ferminal said:
What race were you watching?

6th Etna
16th Grossglockner
8th Zoncolan
16th Gardeccia
9th Macugnaga
20th Sestriere

= top 15 average.

There is no rider in line for the Tour squad with the exception of Froome/Wiggins who has climbed that well in a GT since... Rogers 06?
+1. They are running very thin in the mountains.
 
Mar 27, 2011
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My teams

RSNT
Andy
Frank
Horner
Kloden
Popovych
Fuglsang
Cancellara
Zubeldia
Monfort/ Zaugg/ Gallopain

OGE
Gerrans
O'Grady
Langeveld,
Impey
Goss
Weening
Sulzberger
Cam Meyer
Lancaster

Garmin
Hesjedal
Talansky
Danielson
Martin
CVV
Millar
Zabriskie
Farrar
Haussler
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Ruby United said:
True. But he hasn't had a proper chance to prove it. And when he has had the chance so far this year he has proven himself.

He was a domestique on Saxo Bank last year for Contador. He was next to useless climbing wise in the mountains of the Giro in 2011. Sky climbing pedigree is about as good as BMC. Froome is good. Very good. He's been off all season. Uran is the next best. Rogers and Porte get on the team because their chrono is good enough to gauge Wiggins on and thus they can set pace on the flat or in a chase if needed plus they are meh climbing wise. Not great but they'll suffice. Versatility is where Porte ranks. He's not a wonderful climber and never will be.

Also, though only mild mountains, he has already shown himself in the paris nice stage where westra won, being by far the most effective rider to wiggins on that stage, and of course also in Algrave.

Even though these aren't the most 'fearsome' of mountains, it's the only chance he has had so far this year, and he has risen up to the 'challenge' in these cases.

And, i feel, he will show in the tour that he is best domestique. It is his first chance to propely show how good he is in the mountains.

Just wait and see.;)

I have seen. In the Giro, riding for Contador. He's shown he can get time, if allowed in a break. Domestique at the end of three weeks? He'll be way down. Way down. It would require form he has never ever shown. Froome is a MUST for team Sky. I'd take Thomas as well and Lovkvist. But Sky will probably take the Dauphine team with an addition or two. Uran and Froome have to be on the team as climbing domestiques. Wiggins biggest weakness. They must bolster him and have guys to carry him because he will need the help. They want to podium at the Tour? Cav and Eisel have to go. Period. No discussion. They cannot be on the team. They'll get on.

I call it madness. Someone at team Sky needs to be kicked 'Leonidas' style into a deep, deep pit/well and left to think happy happy thoughts for a very long time.

Radioshack climbers/or guys who can pull hard on a climb for a leader - Kloden, Fuglsand, Horner, Rohregger, Tiago Machado, Monfort, Zubeldia, Jens Voigt, Gerdemann, Franck Schleck and then Andy Schleck.

Contrast with team Sky. Compare to BMC. Now deduct the presumed GC leaders. Get the point? Without adding in Cancellara and Rast or even Popovich, two of whom can cover roles, this side is on paper considerably stronger than Sky. Climbing wise they are vastly superior. Only Froome, Uran and Lovkvist have any recent GT climbing results that match team Radioshack and that's the minor guys I listed.

Team Sky doesn't have the strongest climbers in the world. They have a good team...but last year, they had to make a go of a race where their leader crashed. Stage hunting won't happen this year with their slated aspirations and aims. Radioshack turn their mess of a year around and don't crash like last year...they on paper are arguably the strongest team.

Strongest team however doesn't mean strongest GC rider. One still has to match the pace of the guys pulling up front. One has to still attack. Back in 2010, the strongest climbing pace was from Saxo Banks domestiques and Contadors two Spanish compatriots. When they put the pace on, only AC and Andy stayed with them. Sky don't have riders like that. Liquigas, Astana, Katusha, BMC, Garmin, Euskatel...all have strong climbing domestiques. All of them. Sky don't have some advantage over everyone else. Actually going full steam and doing all the work would be moronic. They need to share the effort. Sky can't do everything. They don't have the talent to. Nobody does.

Now Sky has new riders for the potential Tour squad over last year. Siutsou, Henao, Rogers and Porte to throw into the mix but seriously, they don't make Wiggins improve. For every one of them, I can replace them with a superior rider on the Shack if both riders turn up in form. I'd take Cobo or Valverde as a domestique over ANY Sky rider. Or Basso, or Franck Schleck, Cancellara, or even Vinokourov. Sky are over hyped. Their proven GT performer ironically is the one guy who conflicts with their lofty goals and should be left behind out of the squad in this years Tour. That's irony for you.
 
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Yup RSNT are a powerhouse on the mountains and the flats.
They will make sure wiggins won't have any domestiques left except for froome maybe.
Im sure they are going to set a killer pace on the climbs.
 
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JibberJim said:
I'm sure if he was available he'd be in the team, but he's riding track in the olympics.
Thomas will be a big miss for them. Having Cav on the team while going for the GC is not showing enough commitment. I can understand what he brings i.e. Huge publicity and stage wins. On the flip side you are taking up two (Cav/Eisel) places that might be better used towards the GC.

With Thomas you have someone that can lead out and climb. Huge loss.

Will be interesting to see who holds the yellow jersey for the first two weeks. If Wiggins wins the prologue surely they won't fight to keep it?