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Mainly as Movistar have around half the budget of Sky if those figures that came out in July are accurate, and they seldom make big marquee signings. They don't represent a wholesale change in the sport because they've been in existence, doing business the same way, for over 35 years, being one of the top teams for the majority of those. Sky are, rightly or wrongly, perceived in the way that, say, Manchester City are - that the success is bought rather than built. This is even the case despite riders like Froome who've clearly become stronger riders since being there and some riders being bought as prospects (such as Henao and Moscon). When was the last time Abarcá made a marquee signing that matches the kind of scale of the Landa or Kwiatkowski signings? Cobo probably? That's five years ago. And even then, he'd been there before and it was more off waivers than anything else due to pressure to have the Vuelta winner on a Spanish team. Before that, Visconti who'd been previously at a ProConti team he'd clearly outgrown. Abarcá do a lot of frustrating things - overly molly-coddling riders, paying over the odds on clearly over the hill mountain helpers (Gadret, Szmyd, Moreau, Bruseghin), re-signing riders they've previously had (Moreno, Plaza, Costa, Valverde) or taking flyers on riders whose careers are regressing (Antón, Rujano, Betancur), but just throwing the chequebook at big names to fill out their roster is not an accusation you can realistically level at them.

In fairness to them, most of Sky's biggest names were not bought as big stars, and those riders who were have often been the ones to have stagnated or regressed at Sky - Lövkvist, Boasson Hagen et al.. But the fact that they have bought a bunch of riders who had been interesting stagehunters and added to the entertainment value of races, and promptly set them to work doing the exact opposite, does breed resentment, and understandably so. Going to Sky may be beneficial to Kenny's bank balance, and may improve his skills as a rider, which is good for him. I have my doubts, much as was detailed in somebody else's post earlier - he goes from being an interesting stagehunter and secondary classification candidate in a team that gives him freedom to just another domestique in a team where he'll be about 23rd in the priorities list, nestled between the guy responsible for the mood lighting and the guy paid to delete stupid things Peter Kennaugh says on social media. However, we as fans watch this sport as it entertains us, and seeing somebody who entertains us making a move that makes it likely that he will not be doing that going forward, is a reason for the negativity with which this apparent transfer is being greeted.

It is like a stylish and skilled but not elite footballer who could be a great playmaker for a mid-table team signing for a Manchester City or a Real Madrid - they'll do a good job when they come on, and they'll get a good contract, but mostly they'll sit on the bench for a couple of years because those teams have superstars in the same kind of role he can command.
 
Oliwright said:
He's going to be payed well and also he might drastically improve like Poels.
So stop hating on Sky, it's pointless. Movistar were more dominant in the Vuelta than Sky int he Tour. But I'm yet to see a Stop Movistar thread.
Nobody is hating on Sky here, just suggesting that it might not be the right team for Elissonde to develop his career further.
 
Oliwright said:
LaFlorecita said:
Oliwright said:
He's going to be payed well and also he might drastically improve like Poels.
So stop hating on Sky, it's pointless. Movistar were more dominant in the Vuelta than Sky int he Tour. But I'm yet to see a Stop Movistar thread.
Sorry but I just don't like to see attractive, exciting riders molded into boring robotic mountain train fodder.

I agree with you on that. But kenny isn't very useful in a train. But ultimately it's a good move for him so u can't hate. Movistar have a "train" just as much nowadays.
Yes I can "hate", I just explained why. I don't care how good you think this move is for both parties, ultimately I don't like it so I can "hate" as you call it :)

I'm just fed up with seeing favorites of mine end up as shadows of their former selves. Very relieved to learn Rosa won't go to Sky after all :)
 
Roku said:
Anyways, why so much hate to Sky for this signing? It is not like Kenny is somewhere close to be a Podium/Top-10 contender or anything like that. Not even a great stage hunter or a guy who could possibly be a threat to Sky in any scenario (like Landa or Koenig, could be when they both moved to Sky, especially the former)
It's not hate for Sky - it's disappointment in Elissonde, slight difference. Elissonde isn't a domestique, he's actually a rather decent stage hunter, something that Sky doesn't really know how to use well.

It's a strange signing both ways if true.
 
42x16ss said:
Oliwright said:
He's going to be payed well and also he might drastically improve like Poels.
So stop hating on Sky, it's pointless. Movistar were more dominant in the Vuelta than Sky int he Tour. But I'm yet to see a Stop Movistar thread.
Nobody is hating on Sky here, just suggesting that it might not be the right team for Elissonde to develop his career further.
To be fair, I was hating, but that was only a short outburst of rage after I read the news.
However I think I made my standpoint clear in my 2nd post.
 
Maybe Ellisonde is happy to wear the sky kit and earn enough money there than he would by winning a few MTF's/Polker dots. It does seem a bit strange him wanting to go there if true. No doubt the forum will go into overdrive when AC announces and all the critics will be out in force.
 
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wheresmybrakes said:
Maybe Ellisonde is happy to wear the sky kit and earn enough money there than he would by winning a few MTF's/Polker dots. It does seem a bit strange him wanting to go there if true. No doubt the forum will go into overdrive when AC announces and all the critics will be out in force.
I don't see the link between Elissonde and Contador :confused:
 
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Gigs_98 said:
The problem isn't that Kenny is a super strong rider, the problem is that there are so many cases like him at sky. Where will Sky use him? Ellisonde isn't good enough to ride the tdf for the team, but even in other races he will never have a free role. Sky is so ridiculously strong that there is basically no scenario in which such a rider, who used to fight for stages and mountain jerseys, doesn't just become random domestique number 20.

He's similar in size to Sebastian Henao, so I imagine if he does go to the tour he'll be the tiny French guy constantly disappearing behind Kwaitkowski.
sebastian henao is 8 cm taller and 6 kg heavier :rolleyes:
 
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I guess Froome got sick of being told how bad he looks on a bike and got them to sign someone for the team to distract people?
 
Gigs_98 said:
42x16ss said:
Oliwright said:
He's going to be payed well and also he might drastically improve like Poels.
So stop hating on Sky, it's pointless. Movistar were more dominant in the Vuelta than Sky int he Tour. But I'm yet to see a Stop Movistar thread.
Nobody is hating on Sky here, just suggesting that it might not be the right team for Elissonde to develop his career further.
To be fair, I was hating, but that was only a short outburst of rage after I read the news.
However I think I made my standpoint clear in my 2nd post.
There's nothing wrong with disliking Sky, as there are reasons for it. Not only do they make races less entertaining when in full force, there's also the element of their financial power that feels like unfair competition. And Brailsford. And Rupert Murdoch. One of the most despicable people on the planet in my book.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
wheresmybrakes said:
Maybe Ellisonde is happy to wear the sky kit and earn enough money there than he would by winning a few MTF's/Polker dots. It does seem a bit strange him wanting to go there if true. No doubt the forum will go into overdrive when AC announces and all the critics will be out in force.
I don't see the link between Elissonde and Contador :confused:

No link, just that there seems to be a load of criticism/forum explosion because of where Ellisonde is rumoured to be going which no doubt will happen when AC decides to announce because of who he is. They will have their own reasons for the move. No criticism to either from me. There will always be surprises, people just need to accept.
 
StryderHells said:
DBotero said:
It looks like Swift will leave Sky for Lampre.**** it i was hoping they get rid of Viviani instead :( Teams are trying to sign J.Rod for his WT points :eek:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rider-prices-rise-as-teams-reach-panic-over-worldtour-points/

What's wrong with Viviani? He's a quality sprinter who can fend for himself which seems a perfect fit for the GC focused Sky

Yes, I agree. He had nine wins last season including a Giro stage. If people are judging him on his road results this season then that would be silly considering he has been training and focussing on the track all year (with the blessing and help of Sky and Pinarello).
 
42x16ss said:
Roku said:
Anyways, why so much hate to Sky for this signing? It is not like Kenny is somewhere close to be a Podium/Top-10 contender or anything like that. Not even a great stage hunter or a guy who could possibly be a threat to Sky in any scenario (like Landa or Koenig, could be when they both moved to Sky, especially the former)
It's not hate for Sky - it's disappointment in Elissonde, slight difference. Elissonde isn't a domestique, he's actually a rather decent stage hunter, something that Sky doesn't really know how to use well.

It's a strange signing both ways if true.

Tbf, if Sky's GC leader crashes out, they're a decent stage hunting team
 
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Roku said:
MatParker117 said:
Kenny Elissonde has apparently signed for Sky:

http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/kenny-elissonde-chez-sky

Great pick up and a good domestique for Froome.

In fact I think it is an awful signing. He has never performed outside the Vuelta (please correct me if I am wrong) and it is much more the kind of "jumping into breakaways guy" than a domestique. Hope he proves me wrong.

Yeah, I'm not convinced by the signing either. He also struggles quite a lot with his health so isn't particularly reliable. Seems a bit like the Diego Rosa deal fell through and Brailsford was at the Vuelta looking for someone to help fill the gap left by Roche and Konig leaving.
 
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DFA123 said:
Roku said:
MatParker117 said:
Kenny Elissonde has apparently signed for Sky:

http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/kenny-elissonde-chez-sky

Great pick up and a good domestique for Froome.

In fact I think it is an awful signing. He has never performed outside the Vuelta (please correct me if I am wrong) and it is much more the kind of "jumping into breakaways guy" than a domestique. Hope he proves me wrong.
He's also must be the worst guy for drafting behind in the peloton. He's tiny and climbs even the steepest gradients in that ridiculously unnecessary aero position. Froome would still be taking most of the wind following him - not ideal for a domestique.

That's a good point. Does seem a bit like ''sign a popular French rider and hope we don't get quite as much hate at the Tour next year.''
 
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JRanton said:
DBotero said:
MatParker117 said:
Kenny Elissonde has apparently signed for Sky:

http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/kenny-elissonde-chez-sky

Great pick up and a good domestique for Froome.

Come on,this is a ridiculous signing.Instead of doing their best to grab Rosa they come up with this guy :(

Money must be tight. Re-signing Thomas, Poels and Henao doesn't come cheap. A lot of money was also invested in Landa and Kwiatkowski.


scraping the barrels like at Bahrain Merida...
 
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JRanton said:
DBotero said:
MatParker117 said:
Kenny Elissonde has apparently signed for Sky:

http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/kenny-elissonde-chez-sky

Great pick up and a good domestique for Froome.

Come on,this is a ridiculous signing.Instead of doing their best to grab Rosa they come up with this guy :(

Money must be tight. Re-signing Thomas, Poels and Henao doesn't come cheap. A lot of money was also invested in Landa and Kwiatkowski.

Yep.It looks like the budget is not infinite anymore.It's time for Landa and Kwiatkowski to step up their game next season to justify the money invested in them.
 
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Jonhard said:
I'd be surprised if that happens (Kenny) but if it does I'd be much more surprised to see him at the Tour. He doesn't seem right for the job and they are not given to sentimental selections. Giro, Vuelta maybe.

Even at the Giro and the Vuelta, there are normally team time trials there, and well, he's probably the worst guy for a team time trial in the peloton. A very odd move if it's confirmed. Makes no sense at all.
 
JRanton said:
StryderHells said:
DBotero said:
It looks like Swift will leave Sky for Lampre.**** it i was hoping they get rid of Viviani instead :( Teams are trying to sign J.Rod for his WT points :eek:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rider-prices-rise-as-teams-reach-panic-over-worldtour-points/

What's wrong with Viviani? He's a quality sprinter who can fend for himself which seems a perfect fit for the GC focused Sky

Yes, I agree. He had nine wins last season including a Giro stage. If people are judging him on his road results this season then that would be silly considering he has been training and focussing on the track all year (with the blessing and help of Sky and Pinarello).

I don't care how much he wins.I think a pure sprinter is useless for a team like Sky.On the other way a more versatile rider like Swift seems like a better fit for a GC focused team.
 
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Lexman said:
JRanton said:
DBotero said:
MatParker117 said:
Kenny Elissonde has apparently signed for Sky:

http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/kenny-elissonde-chez-sky

Great pick up and a good domestique for Froome.

Come on,this is a ridiculous signing.Instead of doing their best to grab Rosa they come up with this guy :(

Money must be tight. Re-signing Thomas, Poels and Henao doesn't come cheap. A lot of money was also invested in Landa and Kwiatkowski.


scraping the barrels like at Bahrain Merida...

The difference is this is for Sky's B/C team. Depth signings. Nibali's A team is currently very weak. Basically Siutsou and Visconti and that's it.
 
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JRanton said:
Jonhard said:
I'd be surprised if that happens (Kenny) but if it does I'd be much more surprised to see him at the Tour. He doesn't seem right for the job and they are not given to sentimental selections. Giro, Vuelta maybe.

Even at the Giro and the Vuelta, there are normally team time trials there, and well, he's probably the worst guy for a team time trial in the peloton. A very odd move if it's confirmed. Makes no sense at all.
Judging from the Vuelta he also has a problem following the team plan, instead riding in the most stupid way possible. It was quite a feat to lose the KOM jersey in the way that he did