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Cycle Chic said:
A TUE is not a free-pass. The level is controlled and will no doubt be more closely monitored precisely because the rider has applied for a TUE.
never
they never were allowed...........lance's back dated TUE was accepted even
though it was infringement of clearly stated rules
Mark L
bobbins said:
they never were allowed...........lance's back dated TUE was accepted even
though it was infringement of clearly stated rules
Mark L
Dazed and Confused said:
I fully agree, we need to see publicly the TUE's for all teams. Fully agree with you.
The point is, we spent two pages trying to get The Hog why British Cycling would be issuing a whole bunch of TUE's for Cortisone. A product you don't need an out of competition TUE for, from a body that doesn't issue TUE's.
Now The Hog has stopped pontificating and accepted he has no idea what he is talking about we can return to the main point.
From Dim
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=1314.msg108869#msg108869
Pretty much spot on, cortisone should be fully restricted at all times, or something done about its abuse. All teams are using it in training.
And all TUE's should be published.
I think we need to clarify:
Do you need a TUE for corticosteroids outside of races. The WADA list seems to indicate not.
If you're alluding to Pharmstrong in 1999, there was no TUE. What magically materialised was a prescription for the cortisone ointment, not a TUE. Hog conjured up the prescription, submitted it to the authorities, claimed they'd had it all along but forgot to petition for the TUE, and begged for mercy. I don't know how that morphed into a tale about a backdated TUE, if it was part of Pharmstrong's disinformation campaign or came from one of his dupes, but there never was a TUE.ebandit said:
Michael Hutchinson tweeted that Froome was asked if he has any TUE's. That tweet has now disappeared. The following tweet is interesting...from Rod Ellingworth I presume.
Michael Hutchinson @Doctor_Hutch37m
Ok Rod, thanks very much.
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Michael Hutchinson @Doctor_Hutch37m
Ok Rod, thanks very much.
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Zam_Olyas said:
Yes, it does say a lot about Sky if Dim doesn't believe Sky are palying fair.
Although Dim doesn't think Sky are using anything like EPO, but would Froome be able to ride up mountains without oxygen vector enhancement?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3465166/Up-half-children-diagnosed-asthma-not-condition.html
Can anyone think of another group of people who may have been 'misdiagnosed' with asthma?
Can anyone think of another group of people who may have been 'misdiagnosed' with asthma?
Re:
Anecdote: one of my children was diagnosed as maaaaybe asthmatic and given a Salbutamol inhaler just in case. Then one day they started wheezing a bit and took a hit off the inhaler. Except they didn't respond... The wheezing got worse and the Salbutamol wasn't doing anything.
Triple-speed, tires screeching trip to our Children's hospital. Straight into a room and put on an eye-watering course of 250 ug Salbutamol (five puffs of inhaler) every twenty minutes for about five hours. Massive shot of powerful systemic steroids. Medium course of elephant strength cortico-steroids. Doctors twitching and in/out of the room every couple of minutes.
Now go back to that initial diagnosis. You want to be the doctor to say "nah, you're fine" and not diagnose asthma?
John Swanson
As someone who suffers from asthma and who has two small children with asthma, I can safely say that with asthma it's always better to over-diagnose. Without a management plan, seemingly marginal sufferers can have an event that is life-threatening and results in a very scary trip to the hospital.The Carrot said:
Anecdote: one of my children was diagnosed as maaaaybe asthmatic and given a Salbutamol inhaler just in case. Then one day they started wheezing a bit and took a hit off the inhaler. Except they didn't respond... The wheezing got worse and the Salbutamol wasn't doing anything.
Triple-speed, tires screeching trip to our Children's hospital. Straight into a room and put on an eye-watering course of 250 ug Salbutamol (five puffs of inhaler) every twenty minutes for about five hours. Massive shot of powerful systemic steroids. Medium course of elephant strength cortico-steroids. Doctors twitching and in/out of the room every couple of minutes.
Now go back to that initial diagnosis. You want to be the doctor to say "nah, you're fine" and not diagnose asthma?
John Swanson
Re: Re:
It's kind of insulting (to me at least) that (many) athletes and their doctors deliberately misdiagnose such a potentially serious condition in order to gain TUEs.
I hope all is OK with your child now.
ScienceIsCool said:
It's kind of insulting (to me at least) that (many) athletes and their doctors deliberately misdiagnose such a potentially serious condition in order to gain TUEs.
I hope all is OK with your child now.
Thanks. They're doing great and even mild attacks are very rare - it's good to have that management plan in place though!
Which is why I think it's so easy to get that diagnosis. I don't think it's dodgy, lazy doctors. If they hear even a bit of rattle/wheeze the safest, most responsible thing to do is diagnose asthma. There's no downside as bronchodilators (ex: Salbutamol) have no short or long-term side effects. They aren't addictive and the effects are short acting. On the other hand, if you need an inhaler and don't have one...
John Swanson
Which is why I think it's so easy to get that diagnosis. I don't think it's dodgy, lazy doctors. If they hear even a bit of rattle/wheeze the safest, most responsible thing to do is diagnose asthma. There's no downside as bronchodilators (ex: Salbutamol) have no short or long-term side effects. They aren't addictive and the effects are short acting. On the other hand, if you need an inhaler and don't have one...
John Swanson
Here's something I've sorta been thinking about for a while now.
Alex Dowsett's dispension, is that a TUE or... something else?
It's most definitely therapeutic, but I'm pretty sure it's for the "no needles" policy only, not for the substance.
Alex Dowsett's dispension, is that a TUE or... something else?
It's most definitely therapeutic, but I'm pretty sure it's for the "no needles" policy only, not for the substance.
I would imagine so.
The Novo team will have more extensive TUEs for both the needles and the substance (Insulin)
The Novo team will have more extensive TUEs for both the needles and the substance (Insulin)
Of course...
Though I imagine the paperwork should be pretty easy for the Novo people:
Yeah, we'd like to apply for all our riders to be allowed to inject themselves with insulin. Got diabetes the lot of them!
Remember reading a quite funny story about Dowsett, telling of how he was caught "redhanded" by one of his former Sky teammates in the middle of injecting himself. Kinda made me wonder if they didn't tell the other riders about it.
Though I imagine the paperwork should be pretty easy for the Novo people:
Yeah, we'd like to apply for all our riders to be allowed to inject themselves with insulin. Got diabetes the lot of them!
Remember reading a quite funny story about Dowsett, telling of how he was caught "redhanded" by one of his former Sky teammates in the middle of injecting himself. Kinda made me wonder if they didn't tell the other riders about it.
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