Twitter war against Vaughters

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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
lol. he had to be living under a rock not to know that hushovd was leaving.

like I said I would rather see hushovd at the vuelta also.

But JV has the right to do what he wants with his team.

This sort of thing is nothing new but it is kind of odd seeing a world champion who had a great Tour, being left out. I think some of Thor's comments since announcing his move to BMC must have got under the "great one's" skin. Comments like : "Garmin was never a good fit for for me !" Don't worry Thor, save your energy for the Spring classics !
 
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O'Grady should shut the feck up really. Riis selected him for last years Vuelta despite knowing he would be leaving a the end of the season. he thanked him by treating it as one big pub-crawl... Fecking hypocrite.
 
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Why should they pick Thor when he is leaving.Fabregas won't get picked for Arsenal while he is negotiating with Barca.He's a world champ as well.
 
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janraaskalt said:
That's only half of the story. Hushovd can still gain points in other races, where the Vattenfall Classics in Hamburg is perfect for him.

Regarding the World Championships, I can imagine however that Vaughters will choose Farrar and Haussler over Hushovd for the best preparation races. Those 2 will (probably) still ride next year for Garmin & having a World Champ in your team is always nice.

Regarding Bobridge and the Meyers, Jonathan Vaughters already admitted that he prefers developing riders for his own team instead of developing them for other teams. That's a valid decision.

Not much developing of these guys going on as far as I could see (nor more crucially they could see) . Not much evidence of keeping points rainmakers like Thor happy either. JV can of course do what he likes with his team as he is the one who has to keep/attract sponsors and riders going forward.

JV has said that his decision on Hushovd had nothing to do with his leaving at the end of the year. If that is the case it is hard to understand why he would not take an in form World Champion who would please fans, sponsors and organisers alike and hardly threaten the team's bag of points (the opposite you would have thought). If the impending departure is at least a part of the reason then someone's integrity is on the line.

UCI - fix the points system now!
 

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sørensen said:
o'grady should shut the feck up really. Riis selected him for last years vuelta despite knowing he would be leaving a the end of the season. He thanked him by treating it as one big pub-crawl... Fecking hypocrite.

+50000000...
 
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He is also doing the Vuelta for Leopard this year.

But he managed top10 today with what was probably a mean hangover, credit to him.
 
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It appears a number of people on this forum and twitter do not agree with free speech.

I am not a big fan of twitter but to use soccer as an example, it was Twitter that showed how top sportsman were abusing the legal system to live double lifes and it was right fans knew.

If cycling teams and managers are abusing their position, why should riders not be able to voice their concerns and why should fans not know? If the managers are competent they have nothing to fear. If they are behaving like despot dictators like Vaughters they deserve all they get. In the days of multi media, they are the ones who need to change, not gag the riders.

There was nothing unprofessional said by O'grady, BadenC ooke or Goss. Pity Goss's comment can no longer be found - removed on team orders perhaps?
 
Jul 16, 2010
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Vaughters called Gilbert unethical on twitter not so long ago(and also that he would never buy someone like Gilbert, yeah does he believe that him self?) for getting Phinney up front. What a tool this guy is. Thor deserves that Vuelta spot, it's the best prep for WC. Garmin will fail next year without Thor anyway.
 
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muscat said:
It appears a number of people on this forum and twitter do not agree with free speech.

I've not seen too many posts arguing that cyclists and DSs shouldn't be allowed to use twitter, more that on many occasions they have been stupid for doing so and, in these cases, that maybe Twitter isn't such an awesome thing...
 
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El Pistolero said:
Vaughters called Gilbert unethical on twitter not so long ago(and also that he would never buy someone like Gilbert, yeah does he believe that him self?) for getting Phinney up front. What a tool this guy is. Thor deserves that Vuelta spot, it's the best prep for WC. Garmin will fail next year without Thor anyway.
See, there's no need to add nonsensical bits like that to your post.
 
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muscat said:
If cycling teams and managers are abusing their position, why should riders not be able to voice their concerns and why should fans not know? If the managers are competent they have nothing to fear. If they are behaving like despot dictators like Vaughters they deserve all they get. In the days of multi media, they are the ones who need to change, not gag the riders.

Unless it was in Thor's contract that he ride the Vuelta, then Jonathan Vaughters is not "abusing his position", he's making an executive decision.

The choice is between a business one (don't have Thor ride, as his points will go to a rival next year, instead choose 9 riders who will be with you next year) and a sporting one (we have more chance of winning things if Thor is in the team).

As is perhaps unsurprising given Vaughters' history, the business decision won out. No abuse of power, no abuse of position. Just a difficult choice, that some people happen to disagree with.

Usually, I think Vaughters can be insufferable and self-serving (see those Franchise ideas that would have prevented Garmin becoming a top team if they came in a few years ago, but now he wants the door shut behind him, or the whiny "join the dots" article that came across as being more about "haters" judging Jonathan Vaughters than Jonathan Vaughters judging Xavier Tondó, which was just an illustrative point for him to tell people to leave him alone). But this time, I don't see why he shouldn't be. Why is he in the wrong for wanting to safeguard his own team, not somebody else's?

I can also understand why Thor might be upset. Most definitely. He would want to defend that jersey, and he thinks he has a good chance - but he's being prevented from riding the races he had earmarked as training.

What I can't understand, however, is why this group of riders, who just coincidentally happen to be linked to the same team, are all up in arms about a decision that is made by another team boss relating to a rider that has nothing to do with the team of any of them? If the péloton was truly against it, you might expect people other than Australians who have been linked to GreenEdge to be involved. If it was a national thing, you might have expected Cadel Evans - who IS on the team Thor is going to - or Robbie McEwen - who is usually one of the first people to voice misgivings - to join in. But they haven't.

No, this appears more to me to be about GreenEdge Pro Cycling than it appears to be about Jonathan Vaughters or Thor Hushovd.
 
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Sørensen said:
O'Grady should shut the feck up really. Riis selected him for last years Vuelta despite knowing he would be leaving a the end of the season. he thanked him by treating it as one big pub-crawl... Fecking hypocrite.

+1 million
Absolutely. What a cnut!
 
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jobiwan said:
It's Vaughters' team. End of story.

No, it's the sponsor's team, and the minute they deduce that they don't get air-time because JV has "a ****ing-contest "thing"" with the reigning WC-one week in yellow in TdF-bound to get a stage victory in the Vuelta-kind of guy, well, then it won't be JV's team anymore. JV is as expendable as a loo-roll.
 
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Vaughters has done great this year having his team wear yellow, Danielson in the top 10, Ryder doing lots of great showings. Thor is riding in between, was always called a sprinter even when his speed was starting to fall off. Now he is starting to develop into a decent climber and has surprised people by hanging on some pretty hard grades. Twitter is another vehicle for stupid misquotes. Vaughters has to use it, but he should farm it out to an office person that can edit it before things catch fire. Pi$$ing match between Gilbert and Vaughters, JV will lose against the Belgian soldier
 
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hektoren said:
No, it's the sponsor's team, and the minute they deduce that they don't get air-time because JV has "a ****ing-contest "thing"" with the reigning WC-one week in yellow in TdF-bound to get a stage victory in the Vuelta-kind of guy, well, then it won't be JV's team anymore. JV is as expendable as a loo-roll.

I guess that depends on whether or not the contracts are held with Garmin or with Slipstream.

I would also imagine that keeping the sponsors happy is important to JV and, as such, he is likely to have thought about that before making this decision.

On a side note, is Thor regarded as a stand-up, always friendly and selfless sort of guy, or does he occasionally act out of self-interest?
 
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hrotha said:
See, there's no need to add nonsensical bits like that to your post.

Most victories this season they have to thank to one man and one man only.

Farrar's stage wins at Tirreno and Tour? Thor's leadout won them for him.
Team time trial at the Tour? Biggest motor was Thor.
Paris-Roubaix? Thor.
2 other stage wins at the Tour? Thor.

Now they've only been signing time trial specialists for the world championship TTT. Cameron Meyer is leaving too.
 
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Kazistuta said:
And let's just wait and see the team Garmin IS sending off to the Vuelta.... Doesn't the lower profile riders that wants to ride a grand tour get to have a shot at it? Nono, let's by all means please the reigning World Champ (who happens to leave) and disappoint other faithful team members.

Daniel Martin - yep, should go!
Haussler - deserves a promonent role
Fischer - Obvious pick
Klier - I'd say that's a given
Talansky - future GT talent
Vansummeren - got left out of the tour team, deserves a spot
Le Mevel - rode the giro, rather lacklustre though, and will be helpful to Martin.
Vanmarcke, Rasch, Lloyd, Kreder???

One could argue that if Tyler Farrar gets to line up, that might as well could have been Hushovd. And even though the decision to deny Hushovd a vuelta ticket wasn't based solely on him switching teams, I'm sure he would have been in Spain if he had signed with Garmin for 2012.

And Bobridge not getting a GT chance this year does seem a bit odd....

No chance for Stetina or is more than one GT too much for him this year?
 
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El Pistolero said:
Most victories this season they have to thank to one man and one man only.

Farrar's stage wins at Tirreno and Tour? Thor's leadout won them for him.
Team time trial at the Tour? Biggest motor was Thor.
Paris-Roubaix? Thor.
2 other stage wins at the Tour? Thor.

Now they've only been signing time trial specialists for the world championship TTT. Cameron Meyer is leaving too.

You make a reasonable point about Thor having a major say in Garmin's best moments this season. But one man and one man only for the P-R win? Surely JvS takes some credit? And Thor was the biggest motor for the TTT? Did you see a video of the Garmin team from start to finish? The feed I got maybe showed a team for 30 secs or so and then went to other teams for 3 or 4 mins? Could you tell from this that Thor was the biggest motor? Wouldn't you think last year's WC ITT silver medallist might just be the biggest motor?
 
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On Garmin it's sign a new contract or you're off the team. Even if you're riding around in a white jersey with rainbow stripes and "Garmin" plastered all over it (despite Garmin contributing nothing to that win). At least it's a fair warning to any big riders who're considering offers from The Clean Team.
 
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King Of The Wolds said:
You make a reasonable point about Thor having a major say in Garmin's best moments this season. But one man and one man only for the P-R win? Surely JvS takes some credit? And Thor was the biggest motor for the TTT? Did you see a video of the Garmin team from start to finish? The feed I got maybe showed a team for 30 secs or so and then went to other teams for 3 or 4 mins? Could you tell from this that Thor was the biggest motor? Wouldn't you think last year's WC ITT silver medallist might just be the biggest motor?

Obviously, but we have to be honest: he wouldn't have won if he wasn't a team mate of Thor Hushovd. And I'm a fan of Vansummeren. I'm glad he won it despite not being among the top competitors for Roubaix(second tier for the cobbles).

First tier= Boonen(if he still gots it at least...), Cancellara and Thor.
Second tier= too much to list.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Most victories this season they have to thank to one man and one man only.

Farrar's stage wins at Tirreno and Tour? Thor's leadout won them for him.
Team time trial at the Tour? Biggest motor was Thor.
Paris-Roubaix? Thor.
2 other stage wins at the Tour? Thor.

Now they've only been signing time trial specialists for the world championship TTT. Cameron Meyer is leaving too.
Duh, Hushovd is one of the best riders in the world and he was in the team, so they used him and he played an important role. But in previous years he wasn't a part of the team and they did fine.
 
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hrotha said:
Duh, Hushovd is one of the best riders in the world and he was in the team, so they used him and he played an important role. But in previous years he wasn't a part of the team and they did fine.

Fine in screwing up their lead out.
 

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