- May 23, 2011
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BM1979 said:
No sense of humor in this one. No wit either. Hike your panties up and stop taking everything so seriously. You must be a real buzzkill at a party...if you ever get invited to one.
BTW, I am still waiting for you to give me the names of riders in the "BMC" thread.
- Jul 17, 2009
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I have my opinions of JV but I get what he is doing and support the approach to the Vuelta team this season. Rider Development; such a trite saying in recent years in pro cycling. But JV is clear as day about it. This is the period of time when riders have to be slowly bled in into the First-Team and become a First-Team Regular. You can do this by continuing to put them on good Training Schedules, giving him more analysis and keeping morale high and all but in the end they have to ride at the elite level to get a look at the level so they can have a basis and develop their own methodology
word JV good culture
out with the old in with the new is perhaps their true gripe
word JV good culture
out with the old in with the new is perhaps their true gripe
- Mar 20, 2009
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2 very funny things some people in this thread are saying:
1) Thor did what he did in the TdF w/o Garmin's help
2) Wishing that JV will fail in the future for doing this to Thor
LOLing at you guys. Learn more about cycle sport before you start mouthing off in a forum and letting the whole world know you are fools.
As for hoping JV will fail, give it a rest! The man turned a conti team into protour status in a matter of a few years. Like him or not, he's got the chops to keep his team at this level.
FWIW, JV made the right decision keeping Thor out of the Vuelta. The pros outweigh the cons.
And Stuey, STFU homie. That weekend warrior is the reason sponsors pay you the big bucks to ride your bike.
1) Thor did what he did in the TdF w/o Garmin's help
2) Wishing that JV will fail in the future for doing this to Thor
LOLing at you guys. Learn more about cycle sport before you start mouthing off in a forum and letting the whole world know you are fools.
As for hoping JV will fail, give it a rest! The man turned a conti team into protour status in a matter of a few years. Like him or not, he's got the chops to keep his team at this level.
FWIW, JV made the right decision keeping Thor out of the Vuelta. The pros outweigh the cons.
And Stuey, STFU homie. That weekend warrior is the reason sponsors pay you the big bucks to ride your bike.
- Mar 6, 2011
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Ok I'm not a Twitter user so can someone explain to me what the agro is about? Has JV actually came out and said Thor isnt riding because he's leaving? I mean it seems pretty reasonable from a team perspective to go with Haussler who could look to peak for this. Im not of the belief just because he is WC he can choose whatever race he wants, there would be more room for complaint if they refused to race him at all but they didn't.
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great article title (pun) over at Velonews: Vaughters drops the Hammer
".... In truth, Hushovd’s Vuelta goals were bound to be personal — having more to do with preparations for his September defense of the rainbow jersey in Copenhagen than anything related to the aspirations of his current team......"
".... In truth, Hushovd’s Vuelta goals were bound to be personal — having more to do with preparations for his September defense of the rainbow jersey in Copenhagen than anything related to the aspirations of his current team......"
Maybe this has been mentioned before but I am sure the Aussie riders *****ing has more to do with Matt White being sacked than it has anything to do with Thor not going to the Vuelta. Probably just trying to put the boot into JV now.
I have moved the posts re: Lowe/White/JV to the thread in the Clinic, please keep the discussions separate.
- Apr 20, 2009
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back OT for a second.
the fact that vaughters stirs so much controversy with riders speaks (negatively IMO) to his management skills. furthermore, his reply that he made his decision to not include hushovd in the vuelta lineup before thor informed him of his signing with BMC is a smokescreen. there is no way that he did not know hushovd was negotiating with other teams and cycling being the small, insular world that it is he surely knew of not only thor's impending signing, but his actual signing within hours of it happening.
on the other hand, whether or not hushovd being in the vuelta is good for garmin/cervelo is a toss up. does the publicity of having the world champ in the lineup outweigh the points the team could gain for next year with another rider? ultimately it is a judgement call. it is specious to say that thor not being in the team next year had no effect on the decision. however, it is probably the right decision for the team.
note to fermi; can you get rid of my post in the clinic? when i started to write this post it was in this thread but somehow it got put in there. cheers.
the fact that vaughters stirs so much controversy with riders speaks (negatively IMO) to his management skills. furthermore, his reply that he made his decision to not include hushovd in the vuelta lineup before thor informed him of his signing with BMC is a smokescreen. there is no way that he did not know hushovd was negotiating with other teams and cycling being the small, insular world that it is he surely knew of not only thor's impending signing, but his actual signing within hours of it happening.
on the other hand, whether or not hushovd being in the vuelta is good for garmin/cervelo is a toss up. does the publicity of having the world champ in the lineup outweigh the points the team could gain for next year with another rider? ultimately it is a judgement call. it is specious to say that thor not being in the team next year had no effect on the decision. however, it is probably the right decision for the team.
note to fermi; can you get rid of my post in the clinic? when i started to write this post it was in this thread but somehow it got put in there. cheers.
The articles in the Velonews, or the should I say the Boulder/Colorado Cycling News, on this subject are the most biased and one sided articles on the subject so far written, Good journalism is about presenting a detailed analysis of the facts on both sides of the argument, and in this type of article remaing neutral.Deagol said:
These articles, the one today and the one last week are the most toe-curdling, JV promotion pieces you can find. In summary for anyone who does not want to read them, they basically say whatever JV does is always right, he is the greatest manager, the most inspirational leader the world of cycling has ever known.
The worst part of the articles is that it appears the Colorado press are on a camapaign to do anything to discredit Hushovd. Why is it oK for Tyler to use Veulta for training but not Hushovd? I wonder who could be behind that. You only have to look at JVs tweets, and see he is doing everything to discredit Hushovd.
So if someone has posted the link to Vaughters Local rag, in order to provide a balanced article, I would suggest reading this and see what Norwegian journaists thought of the way Vaughters treated Thor when he won the yellow jersey.
http://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikkel.php?artid=10097528 (need google translator or similar) Yes it has a pro Norway slant, but it presents the other side of the argument Velonews ignored.
On the postive side while many of the readers who comment on the Velonews articles are taken in by it, there are a good few who see through what the author is doing - I won't call witer a journalist because that would be paying him a compliment.
- Jun 16, 2009
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muscat said:
Vaughters has hardly commented on the entire situation on Twitter other than to respond to direct questions - I would hardly call that "doing everything to discredit Hushovd"
muscat said:
Naturally it is okay for Tyler because he will still be with Garmin next year. I still don't see the problem and why people keep rambling on about it. Even if there is a full-blown war between Hushovd and Vaughters, it usually takes two to tango, so it would be ridiculous to put all the blame on Vaughters, or Hushhovd for that matter.
It was a simple business and/or sporting decision taken by someone whose prerogative it was to take that decision, whatever his motivation was. Deal with it and get over it!
Regards
GJ
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- Jul 27, 2009
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GJB123 said:
To make this story complete we just need Tyler to win the Worlds. That would make my day. Then to make the story even sweeter I would love to see JV build the entire team around Tyler for PR. Even if he doesn't win that would be enough to keep me satisfied for 2012.
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- Jun 19, 2009
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muscat said:
Not only would it be paying him a compliment, it would also be inaccurate and it would show that you never read all the way to the bottom of the piece:
Dan is usually quite humorous but the Norwegian piece you linked was funnier.
- Jan 14, 2011
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Embarassing anti JV rant
oh my. I thought the Velonews / whatever its called article hit many nails on their heads. This rant is is an embarassment to the poster and an insult to anyone with even a touch of objectivity.
reading comprehension = 0
presentation of facts = 0
ability to express himself = 0
exercise in JV bashing = 10
the big question in my mind is, what does "toe-curdling" mean? I realize you can't be an English speaker, but what does it mean in your native language?
muscat said:
oh my. I thought the Velonews / whatever its called article hit many nails on their heads. This rant is is an embarassment to the poster and an insult to anyone with even a touch of objectivity.
reading comprehension = 0
presentation of facts = 0
ability to express himself = 0
exercise in JV bashing = 10
the big question in my mind is, what does "toe-curdling" mean? I realize you can't be an English speaker, but what does it mean in your native language?
ExRower said:
Okay, I think those attacking JV here are being stupid... but I don't agree with that either.
Thor has come off as upset or unhappy, but he's been very restrained in official comments. And his team seems to genuinely like him... JV himself was gushing about Thor during the tour and his whole team was pumped at how he hung onto the yellow jersey and won stages from the breaks. There was no hesitation from Hesjedal to work his **** off to get Hushovd his last win at the Tour.
He may not have been in the best situation at Garmin, but he rode professionally, his team seemed to like and support him and he had success. I've got no problem with JV not taking him for the Vuelta, but I can't see how you can have a problem with Thor's behavior this year as well.
It wasn't a match. But despite that, both the rider, the team and even JV have acted reasonably and had success. I fail to see any problem here.
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