Tyler Got the Short End of the Stick

[Cimacoppi49]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6019436&campaign=rss&source=OLYHeadlines

"The documents also show the vast discrepancy in bonus payments. An invoice from August 2001 shows Armstrong earned $1.47 million for stage wins, days wearing the leader's yellow jersey and the overall win at that year's Tour.

Teammate Tyler Hamilton, whose contract stipulated that he would be the second-highest paid rider after Armstrong, earned just $150,000 in bonuses for the same race."

Quite a disparity. That kind of disparity doesn't build much loyalty over the long run.

 

[sniper]

true, but it seems rather obvious that Tyler owes alot to the time he rode with LA.
So I'm not sure if he's in the position to complain about that disparity.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

true, but it seems rather obvious that Tyler owes alot to the time he rode with LA.
So I'm not sure if he's in the position to complain about that disparity.

True, and for a person like Tyler to be justified in complaining about the disparity he'd have to be close to the same level and LA. Which was entirely not the case. Ty was a good domo for LA, but not a great one.

 

[Benotti69]

in a GT it is very hard to show your potential when your working for a team leader. Look at Floyd. When he worked on a mountain stage for Uniballer then there were 4 at the end inc Floyd, he was told to take the stage win and had nothing left in the tank so uniballer took it, why cos he did little work compared to Floyd.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

True, and for a person like Tyler to be justified in complaining about the disparity he'd have to be close to the same level and LA. Which was entirely not the case. Ty was a good domo for LA, but not a great one.

I'm wondering if Tyler even knew about the disparity when they were racing. Probably not to the extent that it was.

Now that he has nothing, it makes no sense for him to not tell all that he knows.

 

[Boeing]

true, but it seems rather obvious that Tyler owes alot to the time he rode with LA.
So I'm not sure if he's in the position to complain about that disparity.

maybe not complain but bitterness could drive a brother to out a brother

 

[Anonymous]

maybe not complain but bitterness could drive a brother to out a brother

Yep, particularly because of Haven getting the short end of the stick too.

 

[flyor64]

Yep, particularly because of Haven getting the short end of the stick too.

Impressed.

(You beat Hugh to that one...)

 

[forty four]

in a GT it is very hard to show your potential when your working for a team leader. Look at Floyd. When he worked on a mountain stage for Uniballer then there were 4 at the end inc Floyd, he was told to take the stage win and had nothing left in the tank so uniballer took it, why cos he did little work compared to Floyd.

floyds sucks thats why he lost. also he is a blackmailing lying sociopath like his nemesis armstrong. none the less armstrong does not **** in his own back yard or name names like a ***** *** rat does flandis. seen that clown at races hes a punk *** *****. your hatred for la confuses you to be able to see landis for what he is. remember the toc emails?

 

[flicker]

Definitely bad on Lance, why wasn't he a domestique for Tyler or Floyd, they were both way better riders than Armstrong. Floyd so good he sandbagged on stage 16 Le Tour 2006 and then had Jack Daniels and someone spiked his drink,stage 17 probably Lance or the jealous Jan or Ivan . In the o4 Lance had Tyler crash so Tyler could limp in in 4th.

 

[flicker]

maybe not complain but bitterness could drive a brother to out a brother

Why couldn't they come out of the closet in a gracious way?

 

[Anonymous]

floyds sucks thats why he lost. also he is a blackmailing lying sociopath like his nemesis armstrong. none the less armstrong does not **** in his own back yard or name names like a ***** *** rat does flandis. seen that clown at races hes a punk *** *****. your hatred for la confuses you to be able to see landis for what he is. remember the toc emails?

The emotional name calling shows the depth of your position.

 

[Mambo95]

This is nothing unusual. Allegedly Contador's salary at Saxo is E5m and Ritchie Porte is on E50K.

 

[theswordsman]

I've got ESPN Insider, which gave me access to another article with links to more documents. One was the full 2001 - 2004 contract. I typed up bits of it for the other thread, along with parts of the March 31 2003 audit.

The thing about Lance's bonus isn't that it's bigger than Tyler's. For 2001, the USPS contract called for "no more than $100,000" in total bonus money to pay incentive clauses for the entire team. The other three years had $150,000 maximum for bonuses. Bonus amounts were to be invoiced as contract incentives were reached. So where did the extra money come from?

 

[MacRoadie]

So where did the extra money come from?

Anybody ever find that junior team?

 

[blackcat]

Anybody ever find that junior team?

Cinqo StrongArm, 'dat jnr team?

edit: cinco

or, "boys can swim number two"

 

[R.0.t.O]

I've got ESPN Insider, which gave me access to another article with links to more documents. One was the full 2001 - 2004 contract. I typed up bits of it for the other thread, along with parts of the March 31 2003 audit.

The thing about Lance's bonus isn't that it's bigger than Tyler's. For 2001, the USPS contract called for "no more than $100,000" in total bonus money to pay incentive clauses for the entire team. The other three years had $150,000 maximum for bonuses. Bonus amounts were to be invoiced as contract incentives were reached. So where did the extra money come from?

SCA?

[10 character minimum]

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Need points of comparison to pass such judgment.

How much would he have been making had he been riding for another team? Say, as a leader for a non PT team? How much were other super-domestiques earning at that time? Should domestiques be paid more overall to begin with, irregardless of Tyler's pay?

 

[FKLance]

Just reminds us why doping is around: Tyler could ride for 10 years as a super domestique and earn the same as Lance did in one year! That is just crazy.

 

[ultimobici]

This has been the way for decades. Team leader gets glory & bonuses. Team get race winnings divvied up.

TH & the others on the team had a role to play and they were paid accordingly. LA had a different role & was paid accordingly. A domestique knows that theyare unlikely to win that often when riding in another's service, hence the name.

Look at the actual invoices, they are for what was won. TH was working for LA hence the disparity.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mag/blog/2011/thefile/armstrong/hamilton_big.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mag/blog/2011/thefile/armstrong/lance_big.jpg

The point everyone is missing is that these are bonus payments on top of salary.

 

[Benotti69]

floyds sucks thats why he lost. also he is a blackmailing lying sociopath like his nemesis armstrong. none the less armstrong does not **** in his own back yard or name names like a ***** *** rat does flandis. seen that clown at races hes a punk *** *****. your hatred for la confuses you to be able to see landis for what he is. remember the toc emails?

and i thought Cali peeps were laid back.

Floyd won a TdF (in the same manner as Uniballer), some sucker, who knows he might have won another 6 on the trott

Uniballers regurlarly has a bowel movement in his backyard; "half the people of Austin, hate the guy, the other half haven't met him yet" was quoted on here by a resident.

Dont hate the person, Uniballer, hate the crimes brother

 

[happychappy]

irregardless

Hahahahahahahahah

 

[Barrus]

floyds sucks thats why he lost. also he is a blackmailing lying sociopath like his nemesis armstrong. none the less armstrong does not **** in his own back yard or name names like a ***** *** rat does flandis. seen that clown at races hes a punk *** *****. your hatred for la confuses you to be able to see landis for what he is. remember the toc emails?

You mean the e-mails that show absolutely nothing resembling blackmail even in the slightest, were surprisingly eloquent, well written and polite, those e-mails? Then yes, I do remember them, I have read them, I would suggest you would too

 

[Race Radio]

You mean the e-mails that show absolutely nothing resembling blackmail even in the slightest, were surprisingly eloquent, well written and polite, those e-mails? Then yes, I do remember them, I have read them, I would suggest you would too

Soon we will all have a chance to read the emails in their original form, not hacked up by Armstrong. 30,000 words of fun.

 

[Barrus]

Soon we will all have a chance to read the emails in their original form, not hacked up by Armstrong. 30,000 words of fun.

The most fun already was that even in the LA modified version of the e-mails it only spoke against LA. I really don't understand any media put forth questions about this to LA and cohorts, although I am already happy that most media did not take the press statements at face value and did read the e-mails and stated that there was no blackmail in them, or reposted them verbatim, especially if you consider that they were quickly pulled of the livestrong site or radioshack site, or whatever the exact site was