Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[Mambo95]

Unless you missed it - his team boss at CSC is the same guy who is now in charge of the guy who is in Pink at the Giro.

So I'd be very interested to know what Hamilton has to say about his time under Riis. I can't imagine that Riis has had a Pauline conversion and is fuelling Dertie Cont on bread and water.

Try to compartmentalise doping into just a 'USP' issue is pointless. We might as well say, well don't tell us anything about Hog etc because it was a long time ago.

I didn't miss it. I don't trust Riis, but I also think he's a smart guy and a survivor. He'll do what is best at any time. Just because he may have advocated doping 2004 (if indeed he did), it doesn't mean he does in 2011.

If forum heroes such as Landis can change their position over the years to suit their own position, not to mention your patron saint, St Joe P, why can't Riis.

You're working on the principle of 'once a sinner, always a sinner', unless of course they tell you what you want to hear.

 

[ManInFull]

Versus

I'm watching the ToC of Versus right now. I swear that Paul and Phil are assisting in the confusion around what 60 Minutes has stated. My understanding is that 60 Minutes will say that GH told the GJ that he and Lance used EPO. GH has tweeted that he did not tell 60 Minutes anything. So of course, Paul and Phil are going with George's tweet and not what 60 Minutes is claiming.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Phil really messed up the whole interpretation of Tyler's story also...totally changed it to what a bad boy Tyler was...
can not listen to them talk about anything relating to Lance.
(they don't have an emoticon for feeling nauseous) *+*

 

[Cloxxki]

Dutch media are reporting that Tyler surrendered his gold medal to USADA. Seems like a good party to trust it too, despite the few LA tests they took.

I would think USADA might put some foot notes with their request for the UCI to find a new owner for the medal. Not many undoubted riders in that result sheet.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I didn't miss it. I don't trust Riis, but I also think he's a smart guy and a survivor. He'll do what is best at any time. Just because he may have advocated doping 2004 (if indeed he did), it doesn't mean he does in 2011.

If forum heroes such as Landis can change their position over the years to suit their own position, not to mention your patron saint, St Joe P, why can't Riis.

You're working on the principle of 'once a sinner, always a sinner', unless of course they tell you what you want to hear.

Not really. Riis is one of the biggest boils on the **** of cycling. The sooner he is removed the better.

But more to the point -

When Landis spoke out initially there was a lot about his time at Phonak - with Andy Rihs, there was a lot about Och as well. Which because of the focus on Armstrong and the USP years has been lost, given much less attention by the media - allowing Rihs and Och to fly under the radar.

Hamilton doesn't just link into USP he also links into CSC (Riis) and Phonak (Rihs).

Hincapie doesn't just link into USP he also links into HTC and BMC - and into Och and Rihs again.

Systematic doping didn't begin at USP, nor did it finish with USP.

If the testimony of Hamilton, Landis, Hincapie gets rid of Hog then that is great but it is only half the battle and the job remains unfinished if we just swap Hog and Armstrong for Riis and Dertie Cont.

 

[AussieGoddess]

Not really. Riis is one of the biggest boils on the **** of cycling. The sooner he is removed the better.

But more to the point -

When Landis spoke out initially there was a lot about his time at Phonak - with Andy Rihs, there was a lot about Och as well. Which because of the focus on Armstrong and the USP years has been lost, given much less attention by the media - allowing Rihs and Och to fly under the radar.

Hamilton doesn't just link into USP he also links into CSC (Riis) and Phonak (Rihs).

Hincapie doesn't just link into USP he also links into HTC and BMC - and into Och and Rihs again.

Systematic doping didn't begin at USP, nor did it finish with USP.

If the testimony of Hamilton, Landis, Hincapie gets rid of Hog then that is great but it is only half the battle and the job remains unfinished if we just swap Hog and Armstrong for Riis and Dertie Cont.

+1

this is it in a nutshell.

 

[Animal]

Exactly. With the GJ testimony starting to crack the floodgates, it looks almost certain that Tex's ill gotten US empire will be dismantled.

But unless there's a parallel will in Europe, the system won't be cleansed. And I've see nothing from fat Pat that he has any willingness to go to the same lengths of house cleaning.

 

[pedaling squares]

I didn't expect Hamilton and the head of the Swiss lab to corroborate to some degree Landis' claim of the failed Tour de Suisse test. That could be the biggest shot to Bruyneel and the UCI leadership.

 

[sartain]

Not really. Riis is one of the biggest boils on the **** of cycling. The sooner he is removed the better.

But more to the point -

When Landis spoke out initially there was a lot about his time at Phonak - with Andy Rihs, there was a lot about Och as well. Which because of the focus on Armstrong and the USP years has been lost, given much less attention by the media - allowing Rihs and Och to fly under the radar.

Hamilton doesn't just link into USP he also links into CSC (Riis) and Phonak (Rihs).

Hincapie doesn't just link into USP he also links into HTC and BMC - and into Och and Rihs again.

Systematic doping didn't begin at USP, nor did it finish with USP.

If the testimony of Hamilton, Landis, Hincapie gets rid of Hog then that is great but it is only half the battle and the job remains unfinished if we just swap Hog and Armstrong for Riis and Dertie Cont.

These are all good points and you have to give credit to 60 M for even airing this, but if look at the comments on some of the on-line articles (AP, Yahoo, etc.) it seems to me that the majority are still LA supporters.

It would really take like a 3 hour special to connect all of the dots in this cluster -F*** of a cesspool that this pro cycling so that the average dim-wit that is elected for a jury pool could even attempt tounderstand what went down, which in many ways is really just a reflection of society (WS, Washington, Business, etc.). If the people on the jury are not shown the "map" and "plan" of how all of this happened, with all of the players and enablers in this massive sporting-marketing fraud, then it will all be for nothing.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

"I believe Tyler" buttons?

Anyone have one of those "I believe Tyler" buttons or shirts from 2004?

I'd wear one now!

 

[D-Queued]

I didn't expect Hamilton and the head of the Swiss lab to corroborate to some degree Landis' claim of the failed Tour de Suisse test. That could be the biggest shot to Bruyneel and the UCI leadership.

It is always hard to get rid of all the evidence, no matter how many donations you make.

Dave.

 

[schadenfreude]

Better late than never.

"cleanliness", yes, but even worse, the "I would never dope because I almost died of cancer", which was a myth in itseld since testicular cancers, even metastatic ones, have an excellent full recovery rate.

clueless sweeping statements rock.

 

[andy1234]

So what exactly do people think Lance's **** smells like now?

Your breath?

 

[rickshaw]

But wait! That's not all!

If anyone thinks "IT" is over here's something to look forward to... the return of...

just when you thought it was safe...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

In other exciting news, Kim Andersen is managing Leopard-Trek.

 

[Benotti69]

i bet the silence from the pro peloton has been deafening. Riccó gets a plethora of tweets having a go at him for doping. These allegations? I bet zilch!

Clean peloton? I think not!




Edit; if a mod thinks this is worth its own thread please move.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

How many teams are managed by former dopers:

RadioShack
SaxoBank
Leopard-Trek

who else?

 

[L'arriviste]

How many teams are managed by former dopers:

RadioShack
SaxoBank
Leopard-Trek

who else?

Liquigas = Volpi (DS)
Astana = Bontempi (DS)
Rabobank = Dekker, E (DS) [unless like the NL Fed you buy the story about the tourniquet]
Saxo = Guidi (DS) [B sample for EPO was negative]
Euskaltel = Gonzalez de Galdeano, A (DS) [List 51 cited for the terrible crime of possession of caffeine at the 2001 Giro, not prosecuted to my knowledge]
BMC = Sciandri (DS) [per List 51]
QuickStep = Van Slijcke (DS)
Movistar = Ledanois (DS), Arrieta (DS) [per List 51], Stephens (DS), Zurbano (DS) [per List 51]

 

[HL2037]

How many teams are managed by former dopers:

RadioShack
SaxoBank
Leopard-Trek

who else?

Brian Holm, DS of team Columbia HTC

 

[Wallace]

How many teams are managed by former dopers:

RadioShack
SaxoBank
Leopard-Trek

who else?

Don't forget Geox-TMC, managed by Mauro "I almost died of an overdose" Gianetti.

 

[Dimtick]

can anyone tell me if Tyler Hamiltons version of events agrees with Floyd Landis's?

I'm sure this has been discussed but the thread is to big to go thru.

thanks

 

[dbrower]

can anyone tell me if Tyler Hamiltons version of events agrees with Floyd Landis's?

I'm sure this has been discussed but the thread is to big to go thru.

thanks

Yes, with added corroboration provided by 60 minutes about meetings and contacts.

-dB

 

[VeloGirl]

Interesting read from Tyler's lawyer...


"Have you interacted much with lawyers representing any of the other cyclists that have been linked to the investigation?
I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I don't think my guy is a defendant."

 

[Mambo95]

i bet the silence from the pro peloton has been deafening. Riccó gets a plethora of tweets having a go at him for doping. These allegations? I bet zilch!

Clean peloton? I think not!

Three reasons why they haven't:

1. The programme was broadcast at 1am CET. I doubt any of them were up at that time. I doubt many downloaded it.

2. Unlike Ricco, this has been going on for ages. It wasn't a sudden revelation.

3. They're probably quite bored of it by now.

 

[webvan]

Interesting read from Tyler's lawyer...


"Have you interacted much with lawyers representing any of the other cyclists that have been linked to the investigation?
I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I don't think my guy is a defendant."

LA's got some nerve...thanks for the link, very insightful interview. That passage was quite chilling : "Tyler called me and said that Jeff Novitzky, the federal official investigating the use of performance enhancing drugs in professional sports, [contacted] him."